jo0e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jared M. Oberhaus) (04/13/91)
We're waiting for System 7.0 and TrueType (even though it is available now). We have many Adobe PostScript Type 1 fonts. I understand that there is a program called FontMonger that converts between Type 1, Type 3, TrueType, and Illustrator outlines, and Altsys's Metamorphasis has been upgraded to Metamorphasis Pro and supports TrueType, Type 1, Type 3, PICT outlines, and Freehand and Illustrator outlines. We are very interested in converting our investment in our Type 1 fonts into Apple's superior integration of fonts with TrueType. What we want to know is what kind of quality should we expect from this conversion? It is my feeling that Metamorphasis will probably give the best quality translation as they've been doing this for a while. And which of the two would be better? Also, once I've translated these outline fonts to TrueType, what happens when a font needs to be downloaded into a LaserWriter or a LinoType RIP? Does the Mac still need to download a genuine PostScript font or is there some trickery involved? That is, once converted, can I just trash all our PostScript fonts out of the System folder (they make a mess!)? Please send me personal email and I'll summarize the responses on the net. Thanks! Jared Oberhaus Carnegie Mellon University
mel@fleet.UUCP (mel) (04/23/91)
In article <8c1YgUe00Uzx41_ghr@andrew.cmu.edu> jo0e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jared M. Oberhaus) writes: >We are very interested in converting our investment in our Type 1 fonts >into Apple's superior integration of fonts with TrueType. What we want >to know is what kind of quality should we expect from this conversion? Superior? In some ways maybe - but according to the Apple rep at our last user group meeting, True Type fonts cannot even be rotated. I don't think I'd rush to convert my Type 1's to True Type just yet. Mel Shear !rex!fleet!mel New Orleans, LA.
derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) (05/02/91)
mel@fleet.UUCP (mel) writes: > .................. True Type fonts cannot even be rotated. Have you actually tried this? It would seem that taking the word of someone else about something as important as this should be investigated prior to publishing. -- = John DeRosa, Motorola, Inc, Cellular Infrastructure Group = = e-mail: ...uunet!motcid!derosaj, motcid!derosaj@uunet.uu.net = = Applelink: n1111@applelink.apple.com = =I do not hold by employer responsible for any information in this message =
hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) (05/03/91)
mel@fleet.UUCP (mel) writes: >In article <8c1YgUe00Uzx41_ghr@andrew.cmu.edu> jo0e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jared M. Oberhaus) writes: >We are very interested in converting our investment in our Type 1 fonts >into Apple's superior integration of fonts with TrueType. What we want >to know is what kind of quality should we expect from this conversion? One additional thing about simple conversion from Type 1 to TrueType. In order to take advantage of all of the TrueType features, the font has to be created specifically for TrueType. Using a font conversion program is just like a simple port of a program from MS-DOS to the Mac. It works, but none of the advantages are used. I would suggest waiting until a font developer supplies the font in 'native' TrueType format. I think that because there are many developers wanting to make money supplying these fonts without having to pay Adobe anything, maybe these fonts will cost less than their Type 1 counterparts. I read this in a magazine some time back. I am not a font developer nor do I know how it is done. +--------------------------+---------------------------------------+ / Patrick Hoepfner | NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center \ / America Online: PatrickH9 | Internet: hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov \ +-----------------------------+------------------------------------------+
mel@fleet.UUCP (mel) (05/04/91)
In article <6338@crystal9.UUCP> derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) writes: >mel@fleet.UUCP (mel) writes: >> .................. True Type fonts cannot even be rotated. > >Have you actually tried this? It would seem that taking the >word of someone else about something as important as this >should be investigated prior to publishing. Considering the problems caused by 6.0.7 when run on the FX I cannot validate the statement made by Apples tech rep for New Orleans. Perhaps when a stable 7.0 is shipped and my hard drive manufacturer ships a 7.0 tested formatter I'll be able to confirm the reps statement about true type rotation. (I'm sure you know 6.0.7 is minimum required system version for true type). I wonder why the Apple rep would make a statement to 100 plus members of our New Orleans Mac user group (NOMUG) that would indicate this limitation of current release of true type unless it was true. Perhaps the 7.0 versions of True Type and respective print drivers won't have this limitation? Anyone at Apple care to step forward and clarify this issue of True Type rotation? Mel Shear New Orleans, LA. !rex!fleet!mel
norman@d.cs.okstate.edu (Norman Graham) (05/05/91)
From article <6338@crystal9.UUCP>, by derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa): > mel@fleet.UUCP (mel) writes: >> .................. True Type fonts cannot even be rotated. > > Have you actually tried this? It would seem that taking the > word of someone else about something as important as this > should be investigated prior to publishing. > -- > = John DeRosa, Motorola, Inc, Cellular Infrastructure Group = Upside: Truetype fonts _can_ be rotated. Downside: Quickdraw is not yet smart enough to do this. I suspect that Apple is working on providing Quickdraw support for text on a path, etc. Heck, we may even see it as early as the first release of System 8.0 :-). -- Norman Graham <norman@a.cs.okstate.edu> Standard Disclaimer Applies {cbosgd,rutgers}!okstate!norman
eabu111@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steven Luh) (05/05/91)
I believe truetype _can_ be rotated already. I was using Freehand 3.0 at home and I curved truetype fonts (times) along a path (half circle) and I printed it via Deskwriter at best mode. What I saw was a perfectly shaped rendering along the path. Therefore I assume that if you have a program that can use both type and also place the type along an angle then you should be able to print it out reguardless of orientation. Please correct me if I'm wrong so I can tell Freehand that its not supposed to do that (j/k). -Steve
weiss@watson.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) (05/06/91)
In article <14@fleet.UUCP> mel@fleet.UUCP () writes: >(I'm sure you know 6.0.7 is minimum required system >version for true type). I hear conflicting information about this...is 6.0.7 the minimum, or is it 6.0.5??? -- \ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | / - Michael Weiss weiss@watson.seas.ucla.edu | School of Engineering and - - izzydp5@oac.ucla.edu | Applied Science, UCLA - / | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | \
klingspo@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (Steve Klingsporn) (05/06/91)
You can run the TT Extension in 6.0.5. You can convert among diff. font types to TT via Metamorphosis Pro. Unfortunately, it does a bad job at hinting, something I understand is usually/always done by hand anyhow. Steve Klingsporn
jimb@silvlis.com (Jim Budler) (05/06/91)
In article <2665@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> weiss@watson.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes: >In article <14@fleet.UUCP> mel@fleet.UUCP () writes: >>(I'm sure you know 6.0.7 is minimum required system >>version for true type). > >I hear conflicting information about this...is 6.0.7 the minimum, or is it >6.0.5??? I'll quote from the installation instructions on one of the TrueType disks from Apple: "Although the TrueType software will function on System 6.0.5, that configuration has not been tested thoroughly and we recommend you upgrade to System 6.0.7 or later." I've used it for several weeks on a 6.0.5 Mac512ke with no problem. Obviously, a user beware situation. jim -- __ __ / o / Jim Budler jimb@silvlis.com | Proud / / /\/\ /__ Silvar-Lisco +1.408.991.6115 | MacIIsi /__/ / / / /__/ 703 E. Evelyn Ave. Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086 | owner
gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com (Gary Snow) (05/09/91)
In-Reply-To: message from mel@fleet.UUCP |Perhaps when a stable 7.0 is shipped and my hard drive manufacturer |ships a 7.0 tested formatter I'll be able to confirm the reps |statement about true type rotation. Huh....."7.0 tested formatter".....what is that supposed to mean? Do you need to reformat your drive for Systems 7.0....I have never heard about this? Gary --- UUCP: ogicse!clark!pro-freedom!gsnow | Pro-Freedom: 206/253-9389 ProLine: gsnow@pro-freedom | Vancouver, Wa ARPANet: crash!pro-freedom!gsnow@nosc.mil | Apple*Van InterNet: gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com | Vancouver Apple Users Group