dsaltarelli@cmcvx1.claremont.edu (saltarelli, donald joseph jr.) (05/14/91)
I heard a rumor on a local Mac BBS that Claris has some super-apps up its
sleeve. Does anybody have any additional information?
Since Apple owns a major portion of Claris, will this fact show up in terms of
7.0 'friendly' applications? Wouldn't it be nice to have MacWrite 7.0, MacDraw
7.0 etc.. which can publish and subscribe? (and maybe a spreadsheet too that
combined with the hypothetical new versions of write and draw would tear down
MS Word and Excel...!)
Please Claris, create an entire line of 7.0 apps that will take back some of
the market from Billy Boy Gates...
D.J.
{All of the above is based on a rumor, and I am simply looking for confirmation
and voicing a hope...}ddl683@sarah.albany.edu (Cinderella Man) (05/14/91)
From dsaltarelli@cmcvx1.claremont.edu come these immortal words: >I heard a rumor on a local Mac BBS that Claris has some super-apps up its >sleeve. Does anybody have any additional information? >Since Apple owns a major portion of Claris, will this fact show up in >terms of 7.0 'friendly' applications? Wouldn't it be nice to have >MacWrite 7.0, MacDraw 7.0 etc.. which can publish and subscribe? >(and maybe a spreadsheet too that combined with the hypothetical new >versions of write and draw would tear down MS Word and Excel...!) Well, rest assured, your rumours are founded. I was just at the Apple Open House here in Albany, and the Claris apps are on their way: MacWrite Pro, MacDraw Pro, and the new spreadsheet program based on Wingz technology (I forget what they're calling it, something that starts with an "R" -- "Resolve," perhaps). MacDraw Pro (beta), from the few minutes I spent playing with it, looks NICE. And of course they all do Publish and Subscribe. >Please Claris, create an entire line of 7.0 apps that will take back some of >the market from Billy Boy Gates... They are, but wait to see what Windows 3.1 looks like too. Remember, things like TrueType, developed with Micro$oft, go both ways. It'll be in their next version. And I suspect IAC over networks (THE biggest selling point of System 7) won't be too far behind. The battle ain't over. Also, I don't "root" for Claris over MS. As long as new and better applications keep coming out, I'm happy. And Claris, buying companies left and right, is almost as big a behemoth as Gates' monster. >D.J. Derek L. -- trying to ftp into ftp.apple.com for the better part of two hours now. -- + + "When nothing else remains, one must scream. Silence is the ultimate + + + crime against humanity." -- Nadezhda Mandelstam + + _________________________ [Affix disclaimer here] ________________________ + + + + + Each one's life a novel no one else has read -- Peart + + + +
cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Andrew M. Cohill) (05/14/91)
A press release that covers the Claris products can be found in comp.sys.mac.hypercard. I think that Claris is going to give Mr. Gates and his $129 upgrades a run for his money. -- | ...we have to look for routes of power our teachers never | imagined, or were encouraged to avoid. T. Pynchon | |Andy Cohill cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu VPI&SU
lester@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jim Lester) (05/14/91)
dsaltarelli@cmcvx1.claremont.edu (saltarelli, donald joseph jr.) writes: >I heard a rumor on a local Mac BBS that Claris has some super-apps up its >sleeve. Does anybody have any additional information? >Since Apple owns a major portion of Claris, will this fact show up in terms of >7.0 'friendly' applications? Wouldn't it be nice to have MacWrite 7.0, MacDraw >7.0 etc.. which can publish and subscribe? (and maybe a spreadsheet too that >combined with the hypothetical new versions of write and draw would tear down >MS Word and Excel...!) ... >{All of the above is based on a rumor, and I am simply looking for confirmation >and voicing a hope...} Well here I am always the spoilsport and introducing facts into things :-) from Dow Jones here is what claris has to say 05/13 CLARIS IS FIRST WITH THE MOST APPLICATIONS DELIVERING THE POWER OF SYSTEM 7; ENTIRE FAMILY WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF NEW SYSTEM SOFTWARE SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 13 /PRNewswire/ -- Claris Corp. today became the developer with the broadest family of software applications for the new Macintosh operating system from Apple Computer Inc. Claris announced four new and revised products that take full advantage of System 7. The company's family of Macintosh products -- the most complete product family in the industry -- is compatible with System 7 today, and is being revised to exploit System 7 powers. The flagship of the Claris System 7 family is Claris Resolve, the Macintosh spreadsheet for visible results and the first Macintosh application designed from the ground up for System 7. Claris also introduced MacWrite Pro, the Macintosh word processor for creating documents with impact. MacProject II version 2.5 and HyperCard 2.1 are System 7 revisions of two best-selling Claris products. Redefining How Applications Work Together With its broad and well-integrated family of Macintosh products, combined with the power of System 7, Claris is pioneering new ways for applications to work together. These new capabilities will allow individuals and workgroups to work together more productively than ever before. These new capabilities include sophisticated links that Claris has developed between its products that go beyond standard Apple events. This means that two different applications will work together seamlessly so that the user can blend them together to create a new "hybrid" solution, with features and benefits tailored to the job at hand. "Workgroup publishing," enabled by System 7 Publish & Subscribe, represents another example of Claris System 7 products letting people work together in new ways. Groups of users can now easily share data and assemble a multi-authored document across a network. Claris is delivering the benefits of workgroup publishing with its first wave of System 7-savvy products. "Macintosh and powerful new System 7 features have allowed Claris to add dramatic new powers to its product family, changing the way applications work together," said Yogen Dalal, Claris chief technology officer and vice president of advanced development. "For the user, this means the power to blend and create virtually new product solutions, and a more effective way to share work with others. We believe the Claris System 7 family best illustrates the continuing superiority of the Macintosh platform in ease of use and innovative new computing metaphors." With consistent key features -- such as help, spell checking, and color palette selection -- across its product line, Claris offers users a tight family interaction unmatched by any other vendor. In addition, cross-platform links in Claris applications will allow users to extend workgroup publishing beyond a network of Macintosh-based Claris applications. By melding Publish & Subscribe with XTND file translation, workgroup publishing can include work created on non-Macintosh platforms. Claris Corp. is a leading worldwide vendor of Macintosh software. Claris is a subsidiary of Apple Computer Inc., and has headquarters in Santa Clara. /CONTACT: Steve Ruddock, 408-987-7202; or Renee Risch, 408-987-7534; or Ines Anderson, 408-987-7154, all of Claris/ 08:00 EDT Disclaimer: I put my foot in my mouth only and have no connection with anybody. Jim Lester Internet: jlester@ucs.indiana.edu Financial Management Support - Indiana University
alanc@tsunami.Berkeley.EDU (Alan Coopersmith) (05/15/91)
Just got off the phone with Claris. MacWrite Pro will not be shipping until Fall 1991. Upgrade details will be announced then. ******************************************************************** * Alan Coopersmith * One ring to rule them all, * * alanc@ocf.berkeley.edu * One ring to find them, * * c60a-au@congo.berkeley.edu * One ring to bring them all * * * And in the darkness bind them * * Unit 3 - 207 Spens-Black Hall * In the land of Mordor * * 2400 Durant, Berkeley, CA 94720 * Where the shadows lie. * ********************************************************************
steve@violet.berkeley.edu (Steve Goldfield;232HMB;3-6292;;MF62) (05/15/91)
In article <1991May14.151326.3835@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> lester@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jim Lester) writes: #>dsaltarelli@cmcvx1.claremont.edu (saltarelli, donald joseph jr.) writes: #> #>>I heard a rumor on a local Mac BBS that Claris has some super-apps up its #>>sleeve. Does anybody have any additional information? #> #>>Since Apple owns a major portion of Claris, will this fact show up in terms of #>>7.0 'friendly' applications? Wouldn't it be nice to have MacWrite 7.0, MacDraw #>>7.0 etc.. which can publish and subscribe? (and maybe a spreadsheet too that #>>combined with the hypothetical new versions of write and draw would tear down #>>MS Word and Excel...!) I went to a System 7 demo today conducted by an Apple engineer. He demonstrated publishing and subscribing between Claris Resolve, the new spreadsheet, and MacWrite II+. I don't think either have yet been released. He generated a graph in the spreadsheet and published it. He subscribed to the graph in MacWrite II+. Then with both windows showing on the screen, he changed the numbers in Resolve. Nothing happened until he saved the file at which point the graph in MacWrite II+ adjusted. Having seen that demo and gone through the HyperCard demo of System 7, I have two opinions. One is that System 7 does offer some nifty new features, though it also eliminates some old ones I liked (such as cycling through applications by clicking the icon in the upper right; 7 uses that icon for a pull-down menu). The other is that there are still a lot of problems to resolve before I will upgrade. For example, a clean version of MacTCP won't be available until June or July (you need it for NCSA Telnet among other applications). At the moment, AUFS doesn't work properly. Apparently, if you try to trash a file, it crashes. Second, some people are now offering updates (Suitcase, DPI/PLI, Microsoft). Others, such as Symantec, tell me they will be announcing an update in a few weeks, even though Apple's Compatibility Checker says that version 2.1 is available. (Symantec blamed the delay on Apple changing 7, even though the "golden" version has been out for two weeks.) Then there is my database program, McMax, with unknown compatibility. Finally, though I ordered the upgrade package today (our academic price is $95; $4 less than list), it will be five or six weeks before it is expected to arrive. (I prefer not to upgrade without a set of manuals around.) Given all the local support I have in a campus environment, I'd be even more cautious if I were somewhere else. System 7 is a radical change. Steve Goldfield
nilesinc@well.sf.ca.us (Avi Rappoport) (05/16/91)
lester@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jim Lester) writes: >from the ground up for System 7. Claris also introduced MacWrite Pro, the >Macintosh word processor for creating documents with impact. Did it really come out? Last I heard, it was going to take a while! I'll be at the WWDC tomorrow, and will find out for sure. -- -- Help me justify my online bills: ask me EndNote questions, please! -- Avi Rappoport 2000 Hearst, Berkeley, CA 94709 nilesinc@well.sf.ca.us, 415-649-8176 Niles.Assoc on AppleLink fax: 415-649-8179
norman@d.cs.okstate.edu (Norman Graham) (05/17/91)
From article <24797@well.sf.ca.us>, by nilesinc@well.sf.ca.us (Avi Rappoport): > lester@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jim Lester) writes: > >>from the ground up for System 7. Claris also introduced MacWrite Pro, the >>Macintosh word processor for creating documents with impact. > > Did it really come out? Last I heard, it was going to take a while! > > I'll be at the WWDC tomorrow, and will find out for sure. Avi, Can we count on End Note and MacWrite Pro talking to each other via IAC? -- Norman Graham <norman@a.cs.okstate.edu> Standard Disclaimer Applies {cbosgd,rutgers}!okstate!norman
nilesinc@well.sf.ca.us (Avi Rappoport) (05/22/91)
norman@d.cs.okstate.edu (Norman Graham) writes: >Avi, >Can we count on End Note and MacWrite Pro talking to each other via IAC? >-- >Norman Graham EndNote 1.4 and EndNote Plus 1.1 will support XTND (aka the Translation Manager). This will allow us to format papers written in MacWrite II and any other word processor that uses XTND. We expect to ship these versions in July for $5. We will send notices, so please, don't send mail! The Edition Manager starts getting slow when you have many subscribed passages, so we don't expect to use IAC in that way. Obviously, it would be great to have bibliographies created on the fly, in your paper, but that's a ways off. Avi p.s. MacWrite Pro is not out yet. -- -- Help me justify my online bills: ask me EndNote questions, please! -- Avi Rappoport 2000 Hearst, Berkeley, CA 94709 nilesinc@well.sf.ca.us, 415-649-8176 Niles.Assoc on AppleLink fax: 415-649-8179