sellswor@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Scott Ellsworth) (04/21/91)
Hello all.
So, does anyone know of a comm program for the mac that runs dec windows.
It seems like there should be some good result from this DEC/Apple
cooperation, at least in my mind.
One caveat; we will be talking to a VAX over a modem, not a nice, fast
ethernet line. Any suggestions?
Please reply through e-mail to sellswor@jarthur.claremont.edu or
cwebb@vmsa.oac.uci.edu
Thanks all.
Scott
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Scott Ellsworth
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sellswor@jarthur.claremont.edu
B.S. in Physics and Computers, May 1989. Reasonable rates. Inquire withinhoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) (04/23/91)
sellswor@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Scott Ellsworth) writes: > So, does anyone know of a comm program for the mac that runs dec windows. DEC and Apple have built PathWorks (sold by Dec, previously called LanWorks but that name was already taken). I am not a PathWorks user but I wouldn't think that this would run over phone lines. I think that it uses LAT, Dec's proprietary ethernet protocol which will not run though a router. So you can't even use it over a software router between phone lines and ethernet. DEC Windows (like X Windows) take up a TREMENDOUS bandwith. This bandwidth is enough to bring ethernet to it's knees. I don't know if anyone in their right mind would want megabytes of windowing info to be sent over modems. So the answer is probably, No you can't because you wouldn't want to! As always, just my thoughts... --Patrick --hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov
fozzard@alumni.colorado.edu (Richard Fozzard) (04/24/91)
In article <11835@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> sellswor@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Scott Ellsworth) writes: > So, does anyone know of a comm program for the mac that runs dec windows. In reading the MacX manual, it talks about MacX being used with something called DEC LanWORKS for Macintosh to run DECwindows. I have no experience with it, though. rich -- ======================================================================== Richard Fozzard "Serendipity empowers" Univ of Colorado/CIRES/NOAA R/E/FS 325 Broadway, Boulder, CO 80303 fozzard@boulder.colorado.edu (303)497-6011 or 444-3168
cmacaskl@gehenna (Chris McAskill) (04/27/91)
In article <1991Apr24.151351.16576@colorado.edu> fozzard@alumni.colorado.edu (Richard Fozzard) writes: > > So, does anyone know of a comm program for the mac that runs dec windows. > > In reading the MacX manual, it talks about MacX being used with something > called DEC LanWORKS for Macintosh to run DECwindows. I have no experience > with it, though. I thought that eXodus, White Pine's X server product, had DEC connectivity stuff so you could run DECwindows. Am I wrong? Their # is 603-886-9050 Chris MacAskill cmac@next.com
hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) (05/03/91)
cmacaskl@gehenna (Chris McAskill) writes: >In article <1991Apr24.151351.16576@colorado.edu> fozzard@alumni.colorado.edu >(Richard Fozzard) writes: >> > So, does anyone know of a comm program for the mac that runs dec windows. >> >> In reading the MacX manual, it talks about MacX being used with something >> called DEC LanWORKS for Macintosh to run DECwindows. I have no experience >> with it, though. >I thought that eXodus, White Pine's X server product, had DEC connectivity >stuff so you could run DECwindows. Am I wrong? Yes you are wrong. DECwindows is a superset of Xwindows. In order to run DECwindows, you will need to run something that understands DECwindows. I don't think that anything out there except DEC's own LanWORKS does this. --Patrick Hoepfner hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
gibbsm@LL.MIT.EDU (Margaret D. Gibbs) (05/03/91)
In article <hoepfner.673275919@heawk1> hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) writes: #cmacaskl@gehenna (Chris McAskill) writes: # #>In article <1991Apr24.151351.16576@colorado.edu> fozzard@alumni.colorado.edu #>(Richard Fozzard) writes: # #>> > So, does anyone know of a comm program for the mac that runs dec windows. #>> #>> In reading the MacX manual, it talks about MacX being used with something #>> called DEC LanWORKS for Macintosh to run DECwindows. I have no experience #>> with it, though. # #>I thought that eXodus, White Pine's X server product, had DEC connectivity #>stuff so you could run DECwindows. Am I wrong? # #Yes you are wrong. DECwindows is a superset of Xwindows. # #In order to run DECwindows, you will need to run something that understands #DECwindows. I don't think that anything out there except DEC's own #LanWORKS does this. # #--Patrick Hoepfner #hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov #NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Actually, I am running DECwindows using eXodus, so this is eminently possible.
senetza@honte.uleth.ca (Len Senetza) (05/06/91)
hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) writes: >In order to run DECwindows, you will need to run something that understands >DECwindows. I don't think that anything out there except DEC's own >LanWORKS does this. Nope. eXodus runs them fine. I've got both on my IIci, and have gotten both to work quite nicely. MacX is nice, cuz it's got rootless windows, but I heard that eXodus is doing that too in the next release. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Len Senetza Internet: senetza@hg.uleth.ca | | Academic Consultant, U of Lethbridge +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
rpcfod@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET (05/23/91)
In article <1991May6.145423.16625@honte.uleth.ca> senetza@honte.uleth.ca (Len Senetza) writes: >hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) writes: >>In order to run DECwindows, you will need to run something that understands >>DECwindows. I don't think that anything out there except DEC's own >>LanWORKS does this. > >Nope. eXodus runs them fine. I've got both on my IIci, and have gotten >both to work quite nicely. MacX is nice, cuz it's got rootless windows, >but I heard that eXodus is doing that too in the next release. > Quite right -- MacX runs DecWindows fine too -- it is "packaged" as part of Pathworks, but is really an apple product. First, I have to disappoint you a little. There have been long conversations on the subject of X over phone lines in comp.sys.mac.comm, and short of some fairly incredible kludges, nothing has shaken loose. The main barrier is lack of SLIP or PPP support in MacTCP. Is Apple listening? But that's the only barrier. DecWindows is X -- it uses its own upper layers, look-and-feel, etc. So, once you can get a SLIP link working, you should be home free with at least two products. *********************************************************************** * All opinions are my own, and do not | Robert Patt-Corner, IBRD * * necessarily represent my employer, | AppleLink PATTCORNER1 * * colleagues or family | Compuserve 76547,1660 * ***********************************************************************