[soc.religion.eastern] Madhyamika, etc.

johnw@farside.eng.ready.com (John Wheeler) (05/07/91)

I have enjoyed the recent postings on Madhymika philosophy outlining
the various theories of different schools of Buddhism and comparing
them with other doctrines.

I believe that the traditions of Mahayana and Vedanta are essentially
compatible, if not identical, in the final analysis. Does anyone else
share this view? Experientially, both paths lead to the elimination
of any possibility of suffering by destroying the root cause, which is
the concept of a separately existing self or ego.

The ultimate strategy is clearly identical; however, there is a difference
in the tactical approach, so to speak. Buddhism tends to emphasize the
fact that all objective phenomena are empty or void of an ego or self
(with a small "s") whereas Vedanta says that there is a deeper essence
or reality within us, our true Self, and what we imagine ourselves to
be is illusory, i.e. the body, senses, mind, etc.

At the level of practical application the results of both approaches
appear to result in the same experience: the relinquishment of the idea that
objective phenomena contain a self. Such relinquishment of this delusive
concept results in the removal of suffering (negatively expressed) or
happiness (positively expressed).

I believe this point of view is confirmed by the fact that in Ch'an
Buddhism (one of the greatest and most infuential schools of Buddhism)
was essentially based on the tenet that "Your own mind (heart) is the
Buddha." It is hard to distinguish this from the the Vedantic aphorism
"You are Brahmin."

To me, this boils down to the idea that what we currently imagine ourselves
to be is erroneous and is the cause of suffering. If this is so, one can
see the beauty of a teaching such as that offered by Ramana Maharshi, the
great sage of Southern India, which goes directly to the heart of the matter
by asking "Who am I?" (What is it that I take to be myself?)

One final point. The lives of Vedantic and Buddhist masters show that sages
from both schools found a permanent resolve to the basic questions of life
such as Who am I?, How can I be free of suffering?, etc. I think this is
another argument in favor of the ultimate idenity of the teachings of the
the schools. 

Personally, I think the differences between the schools are on the levels
of semantics and theory, more than they are on the level of actual experience.
Sometimes it is easy to overlook that Buddha himself was not primarily
a philosopher (at least in the ordinary sense of term). Nor was Ramana
Maharshi. They were concerned with practical experience, not books.

Anyone out there a practitioner of either path?