[net.followup] Cannibals [I suppose 'Orphaned R

rigney@uokvax.UUCP (11/16/83)

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uokvax!rigney    Nov 14 20:12:00 1983

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!   The old fable that pork was forbidden to
prevent trichinosis is completely false on closer examination.
Give the ancients some credit - they knew very well that eating
certain foods raw led to disease; this wouldn't lead to a ban on
pork, just a ban on raw pork.  And a commandment not to eat raw
pork is no harder to remember than one not to eat pork at all,
especially since there are a number of other foods listed as taboo
(I believe the list is in Leviticus).  Pork was the most significant
of these; many of the others were never significant food sources
anyway.

I didn't give Marvin Harris's explanation for two reasons:
1) I wasn't sure I could do it justice in an abbreviated form.
The ideas are very simple, but are liable to be brushed aside 
unless proper background is laid.
2) His books are well worth reading in their entirety.
By not extracting random bits out of context I hoped (in vain
perhaps) to intrigue a few netters into reading them.

Anyway, the correct explanation follows in the next comment.

	Carl
	..!ctvax!uokvax!rigney

rigney@uokvax.UUCP (11/16/83)

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uokvax!rigney    Nov 14 20:24:00 1983

But here goes anyway.  See the books for a further description,
especially if you think you see any flaws in the reasoning. Any
such are due to the brevity of my treatment or the failure of
my memory.

Pigs are forest animals.  They don't sweat, and therefore have
great difficulty living in grassy, open areas; this is why pigs
spend much of their time in water (or mud) if there's no forest,
they're trying to keep cool.  

In a forest environment, pigs are excellent food animals.  Pork
is very high in food value, and very tasty as well.  In most
cultures it is coveted.  But when the Middle East changed from
a forested region to a grassy one (Man's influence, I believe -
The book goes into why), it was no longer economical to raise pigs,
they were no longer an efficient source of protein, but people
still desired pig-flesh (A much better term than pork, no?).
So the strictures against pork were levied to prevent anyone from
wasting resources in raising a non-efficient protein source.

Again, this has been grossly simplified.  PLEASE read the book or
think very deeply before responding with comments like "how did
people know what was efficient" or "But I always thought pork was
forbidden because it was a dirty animal" or similar questions that
are fully covered by the books.

Both CANNIBALS & KINGS and COWS, PIGS, WARS, & WITCHES are 
available cheaply in paperback, I cannot recommend them strongly
enough to anyone interested in the human condition.

	Carl
	..!ctvax!uokvax!rigney

P.S. Those who disagree with Harris's theories are free to present
their own, but don't forget to also explain why certain South Pacific
Island cultures adore their pigs instead of abhorring them.

judd@umcp-cs.UUCP (11/18/83)

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Quoting from memory of a converstion w/ a jewish friend of mine:

The jews were a minority population at the time (pre conquest of israel)
and needed to keep together.  So the political leaders (rabbi's et al)
formulated various rules that would make jewish lifestyle significantly
different from others and so require all jews to live in clusters to 
get things done efficiently.  Also these rules made jews appear very
different to non-jews.

Since the political leaders (and followers) were not fools it made
sence to formulate usefull rules.  Hence meat must be buchered in particular
way so had to be fresh....  Other rules were addedd as time passed not all
of which were necissarily as sensible as originals.  Once president established
(thats pressident as in legal) it was easy to enhance coehesivness of jewish
minority by adding arbitrary rules.


<oo>		Judd rogers
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