jss@ihu1e.UUCP (Smith) (09/18/85)
I worked with people teaching intro classes for the last 3 years. (I was the system mngr.) The people teaching the classes would find people who were obviously cheating (two different (wrong) programs turned in with the same correct output, People answering Tuesday's exam questions on the Wednesday's exam ...) Their 'policy' was "Well, if we can arrange for them to do poorly in the class we will." The excuse for not failing/expelling the students was that it took too much time to do the paper work. The person would not be given credit for the piece of work on which they had cheated. Loosing 25 points out of 1k is not much of a price to pay. I was stunned when I was first found out about this. I was wondering if this occurred any place else? -- J. S. Smith AT&T IW There are lots of opinions around this place, but these are mine and no one else's (pitty the poor soul if they do share mine.) "One size fits all", "On a clear day you can see forever", "Every thing I tell you is a lie!"
brian@ut-sally.UUCP (Brian H. Powell) (09/20/85)
> > The excuse for not failing/expelling the [cheating] students was that > it took too much time to do the paper work. The person would not be given > credit for > the piece of work on which they had cheated. > Loosing 25 points out of 1k is not much of a price to pay. > > I was stunned when I was first found out about this. I was wondering if > this occurred any place else? > > J. S. Smith AT&T IW Paperwork is of small concern in a situation like this. Even at this Great University where the president instituted a "War on Mediocrity" (read Beauracracy) a few years back, the paperwork wouldn't be bad. If we can prove somebody intentionally cheated, they fail the class. Incidental cheating (two people working closely, but not really intending to co-write programs) calls for a lesser penalty on the first offense. Also, our assignments were important. Failing one could easily cost you a grade point. The class I graded was a four-hour core class. If you failed it, you probably weren't going to make the core GPA. For this reason, we didn't generally worry about kicking people out of the department/college/university. The student was going to change majors anyway, and had probably learned his lesson. Another department here is not quite as nice. Though our Chemical Engineering department is quite lenient on collusion, some students were caught in some severe form of cheating. The students were expelled from the College of Engineering (though not the University), and the professor saw to it that the students were not accepted into any other reputable Chem. Eng. program in the U.S. Brian H. Powell UUCP: ihnp4!ut-sally!brian ARPA: brian@sally.UTEXAS.EDU U.S. Mail: Southwestern Bell P.O. Box 5899 345-0932 Austin, TX 78763-5899 AT&T (512) 345-0932