[comp.dcom.sys.cisco] campus network configuration

ARCHERB@VAX1.UMKC.EDU (Barry Archer) (01/24/91)

  We're looking into finally expanding our network throughout the campus.  UMKC
is an urban campus with a number of buildings to cover and ancient, meandering
conduit.

  Once we get off the backbone, we've been looking at using a combination of
ethernet concentrators (such as Chipcom's, which allows an ethernet star
config) and cisco IGS routers.  So the route to a building might look like:

  Backbone -- Big_Router -- ethernet_concentrator		! building A 
			      |
			     IGS -- ethernet_concentrator	! building B
					|
					IGS -- ether_concentrator ! building C

  The links between concentrators & routers would be ethernet over fiber, with
the max distance between the two less than 1km.  The concnetrators would give 
us a wiring hub within each building.

  Does this appear reasonable?  How deep can I go with the routers?  I'd like 
to keep any one host from having more than 4 hops before getting off campus,
since it takes another 4 hops to get to the NFSnet.  Is there a good rule of
thumb?

  Any comments welcomed ( I think? :-) ).

Barry Archer, UMKC NOC
archerb@gawain.umkc.edu
archerb@vax1.umkc.edu
archerb@umkcvax1.bitnet

byczynsk@udel.edu (Larry Byczynski) (01/24/91)

In response to your question, does it appear reasonable, if the big
router is yours, why do you need the IGS's?  Also, keeping within the 
802.3 specifications of 1km for fiber links, is not necessary when
extending an ethernet from one host to another.  It is a matter of  
propegation delay.  For more info, send mail to byczynsk@huey.udel.edu.

kwe@bu-it.bu.edu (Kent England) (01/24/91)

In article <31735@boulder.Colorado.EDU>,
 ARCHERB@VAX1.UMKC.EDU (Barry Archer) writes:
> 
>   Backbone -- Big_Router -- ethernet_concentrator		! building A 
> 			      |
> 			     IGS -- ethernet_concentrator	! building B
> 					|
> 					IGS -- ether_concentrator ! building C
> 
	I would recommend avoiding the extra hops through the IGSs,
the extra expense, and the extra configuration management.  There are
many advantages to minimizing the diameter of the Internet and what
you do on your campus is very important to keeping that diameter
small.  If you plan on using IGRP or RIP, the smaller the diameter the
faster the routing convergence which I happen to think is important.

	If you have sufficient capacity in Big_Router or Big_Routers I
would suggest you consider extending an Ethernet interface out to each
of the concentrators with pairs of fiber optic transceivers.  You must
be cautious about violating the delay spec for whichever Ethernet
extension you use, because delay violations will result in undetected
collisions which are correctable, after considerable delay, only by
higher layer protocols.  If you wish Ethernet extensions of arbitrary
delay, you can talk to me or Kirk Lougheed at cisco about the
two-interface hack we did for NEARnet microwave Ethernet links, but it
requires a router on each end.

	I'm not a fan of putting all my eggs in one basket; at BU we
use a small set of routers on a high speed backbone with Ethernet f/o
extensions to buildings throughout largish service areas.  This seems
like a reasonable compromise among cost, reliability, ease and
performance.  If you think FDDI is too pricey or dicey as your
backbone, you could use a couple or three Ethernets as backbone among
the set of Big_Routers servicing your buildings; ethernet interfaces
are cheap on cisco routers; use them liberally.

	--Kent