[net.space] is this it?

mem (10/20/82)

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Regarding the concept of a race that is evolutionarily intellectually
superior to us:  Do you think that human intelligence will advance
phylogenically?  There is a concept called gerontomorphosis which says
that the evolution of a race stagnates as the race becomes more
specialized and especially as selective breeding ceases to play a
part in the survival of the race.  No... this isn't a case against
welfare.  Or is it?

Mark E. Mallett

bcw (10/21/82)

From:	Bruce C. Wright @ Duke University
Re:	Intelligence and mutations

Mark Mallett brings up the question of whether human intelligence (and
presumably alien intelligence as well) might not have stagnated.  This
has probably been true for the past 50,000 years or so (man has been able
to significantly modify his environment for something on this order of
time), since there probably hasn't been too much selection pressure
(in a relative sense) during that time.  But if our understanding of
things like the workings of the brain and artificial intelligence continue
at their present rate, we will before very long be able to directly
modify intelligence.  Selection and evolution arguments really don't
matter very much if the race can directly modify it the characteristic
under consideration.

As for DNA being "programmed" to mutate, this sounds suspicious.  The
differences between the DNA for humans and apes only has about 2% or
less different.  It is unclear that this 2% difference was caused by
any type of classical mutation (micromutation or macromutation), it is
probable that much of the difference is recombination.  Many people have
the impression that evolution proceeds by the selection of new mutations;
in reality, mutations are relatively rare, and most evolution proceeds by
the selection of new *combinations*.

Finally, I am far from convinced that it is really possible to design
an error correcting code which will be guaranteed to remain intact for
20,000,000,000 years (guess of remaining lifetime of the universe) for
all of 1e15 robots (give or take a few million) - unless the code is
so costly that the time to compute it is of cosmological scale.  Without
such a guarantee it is possible to imagine the mutations and selection
to take place in a manner not too unlike life on earth, which is exactly
what some of the other readers have been worried about.

			Bruce C. Wright @ Duke University

bcw (10/21/82)

References: sii.178
From:	Bruce C. Wright @ Duke University
Re:	Intelligence and mutations

Mark Mallett brings up the question of whether human intelligence (and
presumably alien intelligence as well) might not have stagnated.  This
has probably been true for the past 50,000 years or so (man has been able
to significantly modify his environment for something on this order of
time), since there probably hasn't been too much selection pressure
(in a relative sense) during that time.  But if our understanding of
things like the workings of the brain and artificial intelligence continue
at their present rate, we will before very long be able to directly
modify intelligence.  Selection and evolution arguments really don't
matter very much if the race can directly modify the characteristic
under consideration.

As for DNA being "programmed" to mutate, this sounds suspicious.  The
differences between the DNA for humans and apes only has about 2% or
less different.  It is unclear that this 2% difference was caused by
any type of classical mutation (micromutation or macromutation), it is
probable that much of the difference is recombination.  Many people have
the impression that evolution proceeds by the selection of new mutations;
in reality, mutations are relatively rare, and most evolution proceeds by
the selection of new *combinations*.

Finally, I am far from convinced that it is really possible to design
an error correcting code which will be guaranteed to remain intact for
20,000,000,000 years (guess of remaining lifetime of the universe) for
all of 1e15 robots (give or take a few million) - unless the code is
so costly that the time to compute it is of cosmological scale.  Without
such a guarantee it is possible to imagine the mutations and selection
to take place in a manner not too unlike life on earth, which is exactly
what some of the other readers have been worried about.

			Bruce C. Wright @ Duke University

REM@MIT-MC@sri-unix (10/23/82)

From: Robert Elton Maas <REM at MIT-MC>
When we can directly modify intelligence, traditional biological
evolution by selection of DNA will mostly be replaced by evolution by
selection of ideas and programs and data. Good ideas such as
structured programming and atomic physics will grow and bifurcate and
develop further, while bad or useless ideas such as platonic ideals
and buggy whips will mostly die out. To some extent this has already
been happening. If and when we set loose self-replicating robots
throughout the galaxy, we'll see a new kind of evolution which will be
a combination of physical evolution of the robots and idea-evolution
of their programs. Of course if the programs are used to totally
control the physical design, it'll be analagous to DNA totally
controlling the design of biological creatures, complete with
sharing/exchanging of program fragments as we now know bacteria and
other lifeforms share/exchange DNA.
<Speculative prediction by REM>