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MAINT%DERRZE1.BITNET@UCLACN1.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Rainer M Woitok) (02/22/90)

On Tue, 20 Feb 90 17:28:00 EST you said:
>                 My feeling is that requiring a user to type
>the list address (biosph-l@ubvm) is hardly a totalitarian act.

Allow me to make two remarks about that point:

1. Perhaps I didn't make my point  quite clear (after all, English isn't
   my mother  tongue): what in  my humble opinion doesn't  coincide with
   democratic conduct is not  the fact that I now have  to type the list
   address if I want  to reply but rather the fact  that you decided for
   us  whithout  even  asking.  Maybe,  I should  blame  the  author  of
   LISTSERV  for  that,  because  LISTSERV  uses  the  term  "owner"  to
   designate a person  which would have been  better called "maintainer"
   or "administrator" or something like  that. The term "owner" suggests
   posession,  but I  think, it's  not YOUR  list, but  rather it's  OUR
   list,   it's  the   subscribers'  list.   So  much   to  your   terms
   "totalitarian" (above) and "Stalin" (!!) (below).

2. Maybe some (or  even a lot) of the subscribers  to BIOSPH-L are using
   very unsophisticated  mailing tools  or use  sophisticated ones  in a
   rather unsophisticated  manner. To  those people using  RiceMail (the
   most commonly  used Mail  User Agent  on VM  sites within  BitNet) or
   similar mailing  tools this change  is anoying.  If you use  a clever
   mail handler  in a clever way,  there's normally no need  to enter an
   address at  all if you  are replying  to a mail  item. All you  do is
   hitting the reply  button. This has (sorry: had) the  effect that the
   incoming mail  was nicely logged  in the correct notebook  or folder,
   that the  headers for  the reply  mail were  generated automagically,
   and  that the  original  text  was included  in  the  reply for  your
   convenience.  When I  now  hit  the reply  button,  incoming mail  is
   logged in  the wrong notebook  (that one associated with  the sending
   individual,  i. e.  some  sort  of default  notebook)  and the  reply
   address generated is simply wrong (at least in most cases).

   This  really is  a hassle,  ESPECIALLY FOR  THOSE HANDLING  PLENTY OF
   MAIL EVERY DAY,  like myself. I. e.  Though you want to  take some of
   the burden from people having to  deal with umpteen mail items a day,
   you in fact are making life more cumbersome for exactly those people.

>In fact, it was recommended to me as a simple means of avoiding
>both impulse-mail and its reaction

As I  said yesterday, it  is a simple means  of avoiding plenty  of mail
altogether,  the question  is,  whether or  not we  really  want such  a
restrictive means.

>                                   - a moderated list, which to
>me would be far more restrictive, value-laden, and undemocratic.

Though I personally  favor an unmoderated list, a moderated  list per se
would  not  be  undemocratic.  If  the majority  of  BIOSPH-L  wishes  a
moderated list  and if  the moderator  is really  unbiased (or  at least
tries hard to be) this would be pretty democratic.

>If you feel inconvenienced, that's one thing, and I sympathize.

I do,  and I thank you  for sympathizing. But  what do I get  from that?
Will you reconsider and put the subject to a general vote?

>But don't make it look like Stalin is lurking around the corner,

What's this guy doing in here?  I really can't remember having mentioned
him.

>as it's highly inappropriate.
>
>If typing the extra few characters is really a hardship, let me
>know.

As I  have tried to explain  above, it's not  a problem of typing  a few
extra characters.

Sincerely
 Rainer

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