[net.space] The time has come, the walrus said...

OTA@S1-A@sri-unix (11/19/82)

From: Ted Anderson <OTA at S1-A>
A problem has developed with this mailing list.  Perhaps you've noticed.

By way of introduction let me explain how I fit in.  I am the moderator of
the SPACE Digest.  This is a mailing list that (at least originally) lives
on the ARPANET.  Incoming messages are queued and each night automatically
compiled into digest form and sent out to the distribution list.  I
exercise (almost) no editorial control over the content of this list since
it is compiled automatically.  I do keep a fairly close eye on it, but I'm
not usually logged in at 3AM when it gets sent out, so many messages go
out without any human oversight.  If this digest wasn't automatic I
wouldn't have time to run it.

The usenet connection to the space mailing list is fairly recent.  Mail
sent to SPACE@MC is forwarded to a file at S1-A for incorporation into
that day's digest and also to an address at SRI-UNIX where it enters the
unix network bulliten board system.  They get the individual messages not
complete digests.  Unix messages sent to the space BBoard, are forwarded
to the same file on S1-A for inclusion in the digest that the ARPANET
people see.

Yesterday's digest came to more than 1000 lines.  This is very much longer
than is optimal and something must be done to cut down on the volume.  Few
people can afford to spend the time required to pore through such a mass of
material on a daily basis.

If you've checked a recent digest you may have noticed that virtually all
the message come from usenet people.  One reason for this is probably that
there are a lot of people out there.  There are something like 1-2 hundred
direct recipients of the ARPANET digest.  Judging from the relative
volumes of mail there must be many thousands of usenet readers.  Another
part of the explanation is that the bboard system encourages fast
interaction.  The once-a-day nature of the digest is itself an effective
limiter of the volume of mail.  Perhaps most people don't realize that
every offhand comment sent to SPACE gets read by a thousand people.

Some people have suggested that I shut off the usenet connection.  If I
did this the volume of SPACE mail would drop to almost nothing.  Virtually
all the mail comes from unix sites.  Others have suggested that I try to
restrict the subject matter.  This is clearly appropriate in some cases,
but much harder to guage in others.  Another problem that agravates the
situation is that most ARPANET people cannot reply directly to senders of
messages from unix sites.  It seems that the usenet-arpanet connection is
substantially oneway.  Thus people are tempted to send messages that could
be personal replys via the whole digest.  To make things still worse,
there of often considerable delay in usenet messages arriving at the
arpanet.  Thus we get to see messages about the space walk days after the
shuttle has landed.  We also get several replies to questions or replys to
questions we never saw since the large delay introduces appearent
causality violations.

Ideally, I would like to see the oneway problem fixed.  Second I would
like to make the unix people observe the once-a-day digest character of
the arpanet digest.  This might encourage more thoughtful and considered
submissions and discourage offhand comments that don't contribute much of
substance.  Third, I would like to remove the hugely variable time delay
between sending a message and its appearence in the digest.  Sadly, NONE
of these things are likely to come to pass, at least not soon.

I solicit ideas for solutions to these problems, especially from
knowledgable unix people.  If the arpanet community shuts off this flood
of unix mail the unix people will mostly fail to even notice.  We must
come to some sort of accomodation.  One thing I can do is to try a
discourage topics of discussion that stray too far afield.  If I notice in
time I can strike messages from the digest.  When I do this I will try and
send a message to the sender letting them know.  But I usually can't reach
senders on usenet, so their messages will just get deleted.  Since I can't
talk to those people such dicussions will rage on usenet without help from
the arpanet community, and will inevitably overflow into the space digest
anyway.  I can send out public messages to everyone trying to discourage
errant topics but I doubt the efficacy of this.

Mostly I can only urge people to realize that they are talking to lots of
other people when they send messages to SPACE and that brevity, precision
and relevance are the key concepts.