legler@masig2.masig1.ocean.fsu.edu (David M. Legler) (07/10/90)
I have the use of a ROM03 GS for a 2 month period. It is stock with
no cards, 1-3.5" drive and 2-5.25" drives. I have System 5.0.2, but
have no manuals. I have many years experience with Apple IIe's and
Mac's but have a few questions about the GS.
1) How much memory does this machine have, and is the memory capacity
the problem when I try to run such things as Photonix, or Nucleus. I
am getting insufficient memory error messages when I boot these
disks...
2) I have a stripped-down boot disk(removed DA's, Fonts,and P8), but
still need to make it smaller. Can someone tell me how I can make a
startup disk that will boot up with a default program without starting
the Finder ? (ala a .SYSTEM file on the IIe) ?
3) I am impressed with the speed of the GS desktop environment. It
seems to be faster than a stock MacII, but still wish I had a second
3.5 disk drive (or a hard disk) so I wouldn't have to keep
disk-swapping!
Thanks for all your help.
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rond@pro-grouch.cts.com (Ron Dippold) (07/11/90)
In-Reply-To: message from legler@masig2.masig1.ocean.fsu.edu > 2) I have a stripped-down boot disk(removed DA's, Fonts,and P8), but > still need to make it smaller. Can someone tell me how I can make a > startup disk that will boot up with a default program without starting > the Finder ? (ala a .SYSTEM file on the IIe) ? GS/OS first looks for a file named START in the SYSTEM directory. If it can't find that, it will run the first P16 file called <something>.SYS16 that it finds in your root directory. You can also ditch the control panel and the CDEVs after you set your preferred RAM Cache size. You can set just about everything else through the regular control panel. unless you need to access Appletalk or use the chooser.... But then you can still get rid of most of the CDEVs. You can also get rid of the ICONS directory. UUCP: crash!pro-grouch!rond ARPA: crash!pro-grouch!rond@nosc.mil INET: rond@pro-grouch.cts.com
toddpw@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) (07/12/90)
legler@masig2.masig1.ocean.fsu.edu (David M. Legler) writes: >I have the use of a ROM03 GS for a 2 month period. It is stock with >no cards, 1-3.5" drive and 2-5.25" drives. I have System 5.0.2, but >have no manuals. I have many years experience with Apple IIe's and >Mac's but have a few questions about the GS. >1) How much memory does this machine have, and is the memory capacity >the problem when I try to run such things as Photonix, or Nucleus. I >am getting insufficient memory error messages when I boot these >disks... The ROM 3 has 1 megabyte (1.25 actually) built into it. Nucleus and Photonix as originally written didn't work on the ROM 3 because the FTA made a few assumptions which only worked on the ROM 1. There is a ROM 3 compatible version of Nucleus that just got posted to APPLE2-L, it probably went through comp.binaries.apple2 also, so let me know if you can't find it and I'll mail it to you. As of yet I am not aware of a ROM 03 compatible Photonix but I bet the FTA is working on it (Apple II DTS as Apple chipped in and sent the FTA a ROM 3). Unfortunately, the incompatibility seems to have something to do with the wicked fast disk routines the FTA used; I personally think that all they need to do is figure out how Apple's new 3.5 driver works, because it is as fast as Photonix when it does a long contiguous read, and works on both ROM's. >2) I have a stripped-down boot disk(removed DA's, Fonts,and P8), but >still need to make it smaller. Can someone tell me how I can make a >startup disk that will boot up with a default program without starting >the Finder ? (ala a .SYSTEM file on the IIe) ? The file START in the system folder is the Finder. I know you can replace the START file with a GS/OS application and it will work; I believe removing START and putting a GS/OS app ending in .SYS16 will also work but I'm not positive. (Did I forget something? Somebody correct me.) Make a copy first, just in case. >3) I am impressed with the speed of the GS desktop environment. It >seems to be faster than a stock MacII, but still wish I had a second >3.5 disk drive (or a hard disk) so I wouldn't have to keep >disk-swapping! About the speed: the GS is moving a lot less data around than the Mac II is (smaller screen, less colors), about 32K of screen memory whereas a Mac II in 256 color mode uses 307K of screen memory, about 9.6 times more than the GS. We also know that that the GS graphics tools are still in the process of being optimized, the CPU can be accelerated 2x & up for about $300, the motherboard could be redesigned to allow at least 2x faster peak access to the video (this would speed up scrolling and deskpicture drawing a lot), etc. etc. I'm glad you're impressed with what we have now. I do agree about the 3.5, though; Apple really needs to realize that their products are slowly taking the GS in the right direction but that their positioning of the machine needs to be revised in a major way. A pair of 5.25's is useful only to educators, really; the rest of us (including teachers who want to buy a machine for themselves) really need two 3.5's or a hard drive. Todd Whitesel toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
crew@pro-harvest.cts.com (Chris Wicklein) (07/12/90)
In-Reply-To: message from legler@masig2.masig1.ocean.fsu.edu The ROM 03 IIgs has 1.125 Megs RAM. This means 1 Meg for the IIgs, and 128K for 8-bit Apple II emulation. The games aren't running (most likely) because of the ROM 03 GS, and have nothing to do with memory (I think). These games were written without the use of the ToolBox, and are incompatable with the ROM 03 GS and later. There are patched versions out there, however. Finally, put back all your fonts, DAs, etc. Simply DELETE the Finder (named START), and then put on your system file (named xxxxx.system). This can be either an 8-bit or 16-bit system file. ________________________ _________________________ | ProLine: crew@pro-harvest | | Internet: crew@pro-harvest.cts.com | | UUCP: crash!pro-harvest!crew | | ARPA: crash!pro-harvest!crew@nosc.mil | |_______________ BITNET: crew%pro-harvest.cts.com@nosc.mil _________________| ________________________ _________________________ | ProLine: crew@pro-harvest | | Internet: crew@pro-harvest.cts.com | | UUCP: crash!pro-harvest!crew | | ARPA: crash!pro-harvest!crew@nosc.mil | |_______________ BITNET: crew%pro-harvest.cts.com@nosc.mil _________________|
kgreen@pro-angmar.UUCP (Kevin Green) (07/13/90)
In-Reply-To: message from legler@masig2.masig1.ocean.fsu.edu In Apple/Net 6428 legler@masig2.masig1.ocean.fsu.edu asks questions about a GS Rom 03. My replies: 1) The Rom 03 comes with 1 Meg stock of RAM. That should be enough for Nucleus, if you have no space alloted for a RAM disk. 2) You can keep the Finder from running by deleting it. Then place the program you want to auto-run in the System folder and rename it 'START'. Note that if the program you want to auto-run is ProDOS 8 based you will have to put the P* file back on the disk. (Ooops not P* but P8). If you still need it to have room, try getting rid of the Control Panel CDEV and CDEV files. You can access the control panel using Open Apple-Control-Escape anyway so the desktop version is mainly there for neophytes and those who don't like the old style version. 3) I'm glad to here the GS can compete a little with the higher-up Macs. If you still need the extra drive...rent it for the two months...rentals are cheap and relatively easy to get ahold of. Ditto for a hard drive. (PS all Mac SCSI drives are 100% compatible with the GS...you just have to reformat them to ProDOS...which erases any Mac stuff you might have on it)
mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com (Michael Quinn) (07/13/90)
In-Reply-To: message from legler@masig2.masig1.ocean.fsu.edu Your ROM 03 GS has 1meg of RAM. To run Photonix or Nucleus, I *think* you need at least 1.2megs of RAM... To have a program as the BOOT program, go inside the system folder and rename or delete the START file and put your new boot program there and give it the name START. I *think* this ONLY works with Podos 16 and S16 (gs/os) files and not prodos 8 though. Hope this helps ---------------------------- | mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com | | Artist GS+ Magazine | ----------------------------