twong@CIVIL.UBC.CA (Thomas Wong) (08/05/90)
First of all, I must say that I'm surprise by the lack of response on both of my questions (PR#2 using applesoft and //c's 5 pin DIN connector pin out). Only two fellows answered the first question and the first of those two fellows, Andy Tefft, answered the second. Whatever happened to the Reign of the Apple Hacks? Am I getting that old? There used to be tons of Apple gurus, local computer groups/clubs, Apple BBSs all over, tons of Apple pirates, and we were all hacks. We all lived by Applesoft, peek and pokes, assembly, and opening the cover to play around with the hardware to make it do whatever we want. Has all the Apple // hacks really all converted over to IBM/MACs? Oh well, enough reminiscing over the good old days. Here is what I was trying to do. Dump strings to the modem in Applesoft. Simple enough. Here is the simple test program: 10 PRINT CHR$(4);"PR#2" 20 PRINT "ATDP1234567" : REM I have a pulse dial phone line and variations thereof. That should work. But not for me. Andy also has a //c and this program works for him. So we compared notes (system configuration). Everything is the same accept one last variable. I have a Hayes compatible and he has an Apple modem. Note that the serial port of a //c is a 5 pin DIN connector, the Apple modem has a 9 pin RS-232, and my Hayes compatible has a 25 pin RS-232. I conclude that there could be two reasons why Hayes doesn't work and Apple modem works. Logically, going from 9 pins to 5 pins should have less of a consequence than from 25 pins to 5 pins. And second, Apple products better work on Apple computers. But alas, I guess ignoring 20 (actually 19 since 1 pin is a also a GND) signals provided to be one too many signals to ignore for PR#2 to work. But since communication programs can choose to ignore these signals, they all work fine on my //c. Oh well, my weekend program, which turned into a half month project is finally over with. Scrapped. Thomas.
twong@CIVIL.UBC.CA (Thomas Wong) (08/06/90)
Hello Grant. Thanks for your suggestions. Yes, I do have all the lines setted (DTR, TD, GND, RD, DSR are the 5 pins I used) and I had my //c upgraded a long time ago. But you had another good suggestion. Set DTR on always. I'm not sure about DTR but I really should have DSR on so that I'll get MR (modem ready). I completely forgot about needing MR before I can send things to my modem. So I setted DSR on, and hence, the MR led went on, and presto, my PRINTs went to the modem and it dialed. My keyboard entries also went to the modem like it should. ie. it works! Thanks Grant. Now my only problem is.... I'm using a SupraModem with software dip switch settings. ie. I had to send "AT&S" to the modem to set DSR on before I can send command to the modem. (I ran a comm program to send "AT&S" to setted MR on) ie. If I can only somehow send "AT&S" to the modem to set DSR (hence MR) on, so that I can start sending AT commands like "AT&S" to modem, in my program. (If I don't have DSR on (MR on), my program would hang right after PR#2 and hence I can't send AT commands like AT&S to set my modem up). Suggestions? Thomas.
twong@CIVIL.UBC.CA (Thomas Wong) (08/06/90)
>Now my only problem is.... I'm using a SupraModem with software dip >switch settings. ie. I had to send "AT&S" to the modem to set DSR on >before I can send command to the modem. (I ran a comm program to >send "AT&S" to setted MR on) ie. If I can only somehow send "AT&S" >to the modem to set DSR (hence MR) on, so that I can start sending >AT commands like "AT&S" to modem, in my program. >(If I don't have DSR on (MR on), my program would hang right after >PR#2 and hence I can't send AT commands like AT&S to set my modem up). Does anyone know how communications programs work for the //'s? How can it send commands to the modem without having to set DSR on (hence MR on) like I have to right now that I am using PR#2 for my Applesoft program? When I run kermit for instant and do a "CO" to get into terminal mode, all I have is the TR led on and whatever I type will go to the modem. But in my appleosft program, I need to set DSR (MR) on before my commands go to the modem? Thomas.
rs.miller@pro-harvest.cts.com (Randy Miller) (08/06/90)
In-Reply-To: message from twong@CIVIL.UBC.CA Thomas, Have you tried the following code? 10d$=chr$(4) 20print d$"pr#2" 30print d$"in#2" 40print "atdp1234567890" You have to send both input and output to slot 2 in order to get this to work (or have I been screwing arounwith MeSsy-DOS for too long?) Randy Randy Miller proline:rs.miller@pro-harvest uucp:crash!pro-harvest!rs.miller internet:rs.miller@pro-harvest.cts.com Never teach a pig to sing. You'll drive yourself nuts, and annoy the pig.
delton@pro-carolina.cts.com (Don Elton) (08/07/90)
In-Reply-To: message from twong@CIVIL.UBC.CA What are you trying to accomplish with your program? There's a way to do what you want (more or less) but I can't even remember it. Most everyone with a modem tries to use the modem from Applesoft but unless you use something like ModemWorks (Morgan Davis Group - mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com) to handle the dirty work of telecom, you're really better off just using a telecom program with scripting to do your modem programming as Applesoft is ill equipped to do much with your modem. UUCP: [ ucsd nosc ] !crash!pro-carolina!delton MCI: delton ARPA: crash!pro-carolina!delton@nosc.mil CIS: 72010,37 INET: delton@pro-carolina.cts.com AOL: delton pro-carolina [300-2400 baud] 803-776-3936, login: register
z@pro-fishunt.cts.com (Jim Ziogas) (08/08/90)
In-Reply-To: message from twong@CIVIL.UBC.CA This is just a suggestion, but I caught myself doing this before I got a good terminal program for my gs. I was trying to use the built in terminal emulator in the gs, but I was typing "PR#2" and it wasn't working. I finally re-read the docs and found out that it was supposed to be "IN#2" instead of "PR#2". Something about initializing the port as compared to booting from it... Maybe "IN#2" would work for you instead of "PR#2". Worth a try anyway... Later!
bchurch@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Bob Church) (08/09/90)
In article <1189*twong@civil.ubc.ca>, twong@CIVIL.UBC.CA (Thomas Wong) writes: > First of all, I must say that I'm surprise by the lack of response > on both of my questions (PR#2 using applesoft and //c's 5 pin DIN > connector pin out). Only two fellows answered the first question > and the first of those two fellows, Andy Tefft, answered the second. > Whatever happened to the Reign of the Apple Hacks? Am I getting that > old? There used to be tons of Apple gurus, local computer groups/clubs, > Apple BBSs all over, tons of Apple pirates, and we were all hacks. > We all lived by Applesoft, peek and pokes, assembly, and opening the > cover to play around with the hardware to make it do whatever we want. > Has all the Apple // hacks really all converted over to IBM/MACs? > I think this comes under the heading of faulty logic. (1) I am a hacker (2) I program in Applesoft (3) I can't find anyone else who uses Applesoft therefore there are no other hackers anymore. I don't personally know anyone who uses Applesoft anymore. I do know quite a few hackers though. ******************************************************************** * * * bob church bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu * * * * If economics isn't an "exact" science why do computers crash * * so much more often than the stock market? * * bc * ********************************************************************