ghost@bucsf.bu.edu (Jay Adelson) (10/10/90)
Does anyone know if the latest version of APW C / APW environment has been released? And if not, can someone tell me why I should wait for 2.0, or if it doesn't matter, or any other information regarding APW versions which may effect my decision of investing? APDA has nothing to say on this subject. -- """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" [ Jay Adelson | BIX: j.adelson ] [ T.G.C. ] [ ghost@bucsf.bu.edu | Channel One: ] [ 1039 Commonwealth Ave. #18 ] [ GEnie: J.ADELSON1 | Jay Adelson ] [ Boston, MA. 02215-1008 ]
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (10/10/90)
In article <GHOST.90Oct9144350@bucsf.bu.edu> ghost@bucsf.bu.edu (Jay Adelson) writes: >Does anyone know if the latest version of APW C / APW environment has >been released? And if not, can someone tell me why I should wait for >2.0, or if it doesn't matter, or any other information regarding APW >versions which may effect my decision of investing? APDA has nothing >to say on this subject. Someone told me a few hours ago in mail that APW support/updates was quietly stopped (over the summer? I forget.. not tooooo long ago).. They now recommend people get/use Orca/C From what I understand, APW C is basically an all text oooooold version of ORCA/C.. Isn't that right? ByteWorks wrote APW C and sold it to Apple and then they just updated it a lot into their own ORCA/C... Any basis in fact? -- / Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu \ \"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/
toddpw@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) (10/10/90)
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > They now recommend people get/use Orca/C > From what I understand, APW C is basically an all text oooooold >version of ORCA/C.. Isn't that right? ByteWorks wrote APW C and sold it >to Apple and then they just updated it a lot into their own ORCA/C... Yep. Apple found that too much the APW code was owned by byteworks, meaning that many of the modifications they wanted to make would have to put up with stupid legal delays, whereas MPW (which was originally a conceptual ripoff of APW but is now a very respectable development environment) development could proceed full speed ahead since everyone working on it was in-house. Apple has given up trying to make APW reasonable and they now advocate either MPW IIGS or ORCA for GS application development. Todd Whitesel toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
dlyons@Apple.COM (David A. Lyons) (10/10/90)
In article <7666@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >Someone told me a few hours ago in mail that APW support/updates >was quietly stopped (over the summer? I forget.. not tooooo long ago).. I don't think it was especially quiet. APW and ORCA were always nearly identical, and APW was always developed by the Byte Works. >From what I understand, APW C is basically an all text oooooold >version of ORCA/C.. Isn't that right? ByteWorks wrote APW C and sold it >to Apple and then they just updated it a lot into their own ORCA/C... No. MegaMax wrote APW C. ORCA/C is completely separate and conforms to the ANSI C standard (or comes very close). -- David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems Apple II Developer Technical Support | P.O. Box 875 America Online: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker) (10/10/90)
In article <7666@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: [Inquiry re APW 2.0] > > Someone told me a few hours ago in mail that APW support/updates > was quietly stopped (over the summer? I forget.. not tooooo long ago).. > > They now recommend people get/use Orca/C > > From what I understand, APW C is basically an all text oooooold > version of ORCA/C.. Isn't that right? ByteWorks wrote APW C and sold it > to Apple and then they just updated it a lot into their own ORCA/C... > > Any basis in fact? A dump of a Genie conference was posted to this group several months ago. In this conference Apple reps stated that it had been decided that APW 2.0 would be shipped as ORCA 2.0 when it was available. The major difference between the products up to now having been in extra features, the shell being further developed in the ORCA product at present. Apple's contribution to the shell in future will be the add on features in their APW tools etc. disk from APDA. (These comments are from memory, and are probably not completely accurate) APW C is a different product from ORCA/C. APW C was written for Apple by Megamax, and has not been substantially upgraded other than in tool interfaces. APW C does not fully support the PRIZM environment (eg debugging) if that is what you mean by all text. ORCA/C is a different product that was written by Byte Works as an ANSI C somewhat compromised to be able to compile previous APW C code with little or no code changes. -- Stephen Harker Monash University
spock@wrkof.incom.de (Martin Georg) (10/10/90)
B Keywords: In article <GHOST.90Oct9144350@bucsf.bu.edu> ghost@bucsf.bu.edu (Jay Adelson) writes: > >Does anyone know if the latest version of APW C / APW environment has >been released? And if not, can someone tell me why I should wait for >2.0, or if it doesn't matter, or any other information regarding APW >versions which may effect my decision of investing? APDA has nothing >to say on this subject. > >-- >""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" >[ Jay Adelson | BIX: j.adelson ] [ T.G.C. ] >[ ghost@bucsf.bu.edu | Channel One: ] [ 1039 Commonwealth Ave. #18 ] >[ GEnie: J.ADELSON1 | Jay Adelson ] [ Boston, MA. 02215-1008 ] As long as I know, Apple announced a few months ago that it will not do further development on the APW environment, because a new version would always require a new license agreement with ByteWorks, the original in- ventor of APW (with it's ORCA-System). But Byteworks plans to do a 2.0 version of ORCA and they already released some chapters of the ORCA 2.0 manual with their product updates (as well as APple did with their Tools and Interfaces for System Software 5.02, just before development on APW was stopped....) Martin Georg Frankfurt, Germany ----> Apple II forever! <----
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) (10/11/90)
In article <GHOST.90Oct9144350@bucsf.bu.edu> ghost@bucsf.bu.edu (Jay Adelson) writes: >Does anyone know if the latest version of APW C / APW environment has >been released? I don't know if Apple has any plans for further improvements in APW C, but APW itself is not going to be further developed by Apple. Instead, ByteWorks' ORCA development system will be the route for further enhancement. ORCA 2.0 is not yet available. Apple HAS released some utilities for use with APW recently, including for example a resource compiler, and those are available as usual through ADPA. Apple has also updated the toolbox interface files recently.
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) (10/11/90)
In article <7666@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > From what I understand, APW C is basically an all text oooooold >version of ORCA/C.. Isn't that right? ByteWorks wrote APW C and sold it >to Apple and then they just updated it a lot into their own ORCA/C... No. APW C was developed under contract by Megamax, starting from a "Small-C" implementation, while ORCA/C was developed independently by ByteWorks, starting with ORCA/Pascal. APW itself (i.e. the shell) was developed under contract by ByteWorks, who also marketed it under the ORCA trademark.