[comp.sys.apple2] The II is REALLY dead and this group killed it

hzink@alchemy.UUCP (Harry K. Zink) (10/15/90)

It is time to add a little bit of my own 2 cents to this discussion on how
users' bitching and moaning on this newsgroup has presumably 'killed' the
Apple II support and the Apple II.

First of all, if the discussion raging on this medium has the capability
to indeed cause such a consequence, then I have to admit that the Apple
II is in much worse shape than even I have assumed.  "Gee, MattD left this
newsgroup, ergo the Apple II line is really dead!"  I implore people like
Randy Miller to please not insult our collective intelligence with his inane
ravings.  

All I would like to ask to all those 'blame the victim' doomsayers is the
following:

- Do you deny apple's support for the Apple II line is marginal at best?
- Do you deny that this lack of support (and subsequent push for the Mac)
  has caused many dvelopers to lessen development on the Apple II and concentrate
more on Macintosh?
- Do you deny that any computer is only as good as the support it receives?

All various individuals on the newsgroup have done is voice their opinions
on a well threaded subject, hoping maybe for some constructive discussion
and/or replies from the people at apple who are on this group.  Instead
we get stuff like "We build computers to empower people -- and that's all!"
(with liberties to MattD), or "Shut up with your negativity!" type replies.

Now, I do not consider this in any way constructive or rational discussion.
A brilliant example of an intelligent approach to this issue came from Morgan
Davis (of the Morgan Davis Group), who gave us a very good explanation of
the situation and of apple's philosophy.  Ironically enough I would have
expected this type of reply from an apple affiliated source more than anything
else.  This was precisely the type of message that spells it out as it is
(as that IS the way it is) and it did so in a manner that is neither offensive
nor patronizing (as was the tone of most messages from higher up), or insulting
(as was the tone of such posts as the one by Mr. Miller).

Let me ask you:  What is so negative about users pointing out what they
believe to be faults within apple?  Why does their outcry presumably hurt
the apple II?  Sure, it might turn some customers away from the Apple II
because some people might not recommend them anymore.  Is that so bad? 
After all, how would you feel if your friend steered you on to some computing
platform that you will end up getting NO support for from the manufacturer
or even the authorized dealers?  Would you be happier by getting a recommendation
towards a platform that will be supported and thus help you be more productive?

Of course, responding by stating that "I will not recommend ANY apple product,
and definitely not the Mac", is just as immature and childish.  It accomplished
nothing.  Worse, the only alternative left is the MS-DOS jungle and that
is usually a fate worse than death.  Steering people towards Macintosh,
in many ways, is not bad, quite the opposite.  The Mac is a very good machine
that can empower people (average people) much better that the Apple II (currently)
can or the PC ever will.  Now, with low-cost Mac around the corner, there
is no reason why the machine no longer is not affordable.  Of course, you'll
still be stuck with monochrome at the lowest level, but hey, we don't *NEED*
color, we need productivity and ease of use more.

I'm sorry to say so, but I have to agree with Mr. Davis in many ways that
it is essential to remain open to new technology and new vistas on the horizon.
 Macintosh technology *IS* here to stay and in many ways it is the Apple
II of the 90's (conceptually, that is) in being an easy to use, fun computer
that is (finally) accessible to the masses and will empower us.  Most of
all, it is the most viable alternative to the PC.

So, while I will not ask for the (justifiably so) disgruntled users of the
Apple II line "To shut up or ship out" (I remember similarly constructive
comments being made during the '38-45 era in Germany), I would like to remind
the vocal group of immature yellers and screamers that their offerings are
not only empty and hollow, but in fact reflect on them as the obviously
immature kids that they are.  

Before you flame me (like I really care), please do that the relatively
small amount of time and brainpower required to actually ponder what I have
just said and reflect back on your previous comments.  After having duly
done so (do it twice to be sure) feel free to let me know what you think.

Harry


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