[comp.sys.apple2] Disk Muncher/Cruncher

greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer) (10/19/90)

I remember seeing a disk copy program called both Disk Muncher and Disk
Cruncher.  About all I can remember of it is that it would copy 5.25"
disks in 4 passes and would recognize a 16K II+ RAM expansion.  Does
anyone out there remember this program?  Is it legal to distribute it?
What company published it?

E-mail replies welcome.

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unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (10/19/90)

In article <1990Oct18.183332.1697@hoss.unl.edu> greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer) writes:
>I remember seeing a disk copy program called both Disk Muncher and Disk
>Cruncher.  About all I can remember of it is that it would copy 5.25"
>disks in 4 passes and would recognize a 16K II+ RAM expansion.  Does
>anyone out there remember this program?  Is it legal to distribute it?
>What company published it?

	I'm almost positive that Disk Muncher and Disk Cruncher (they were
two different programs I think) are simply public domain (or at most freeware)
programs written by someone and distributed over modems... (probably some 'kid'
wrote it too).

	Like DDDpro... Remember that? After most of the DDDs came out (but 
before 5.0), then DDDpro and a few other programs that would handle the REL
files that DDD made... (There was one that sort of "faked" a desktop 
environment.. That was PBH I remember.. Pretty Boy Hack or something like that)

	But back to my point about DDDpro.. Know who wrote that? Andy Nicholas.
Yes, -the- Andy Nicholas of ShrinkIT/ShrinkIT GS fame.  [And Brian Greenestone
wrote a shareware game that's copyrighted 1985 I think].

	I probably still have Disk Muncher and/or Disk Cruncher around here. I
try to keep a lot of the old programs... Mostly for "old time's sake", since 
there are usually newer and better things to do the same thing (and often
newer programs will deal with the files made by the older programs)...

	DigiCopy GS is sort of the evolution of Disk Muncher for the GS...

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6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) (10/19/90)

 Andy Nicholas did only a bit of DDDPro, it was
mostly written by Doug "I forgot his last name". :)
The nicest thing about it was that it was ProDOS
based.  Unfortunately the thing wasn't accepted, it
had a few minor bugs (like not remembering a dos 3.3
volume name...)
 
Make that vol. number.

dnelson@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Dru Nelson) (10/19/90)

  Disk Muncher was done by THE STACK of Corrupt Computing.  It is a great
  program for copying, but not packing.  I have never heard of Disk
  Cruncher, but there probably was one.  There were a lot of disk packers
  around over the years.

  Keep the faith.


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christer@cs.umu.se (Christer Ericson) (10/19/90)

In article <7964@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes:
>
>In article <1990Oct18.183332.1697@hoss.unl.edu> greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer) writes:
>>I remember seeing a disk copy program called both Disk Muncher and Disk
>>Cruncher.  About all I can remember of it is that it would copy 5.25"
>>disks in 4 passes and would recognize a 16K II+ RAM expansion.  Does
>>anyone out there remember this program?  Is it legal to distribute it?
>>What company published it?
>
>	I'm almost positive that Disk Muncher and Disk Cruncher (they were
>two different programs I think) are simply public domain (or at most freeware)
>programs written by someone and distributed over modems... (probably some 'kid'
>wrote it too).
>
>[stuff deleted]

Disk Muncher was written by The Stack of Corrupt Computing, a Michigan-based
(i believe) pirate gang, who also wrote Advanced Demuffin which was a highly
acclaimed cracking tool back in the good ol' days (it was in the spirit of
Demuffin and Disk Jockey's COPYB, only much better). These programs were
widely distrubuted inbetween pirates and on BBSs and with the philosophy
of pirates in mind, I think it is safe to say that it is OK to distribute it
as long as there is no charge involved.


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marekp@pnet91.cts.com (Marek Pawlowski) (10/22/90)

6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) writes:
>
> Andy Nicholas did only a bit of DDDPro, it was
>mostly written by Doug "I forgot his last name". :)
>The nicest thing about it was that it was ProDOS
>based.  Unfortunately the thing wasn't accepted, it
>had a few minor bugs (like not remembering a dos 3.3
>volume name...)
> 
>Make that vol. number.

Didn't a character by the name of "Louis Roy" from Montreal, have something to
do with the DDD series?  I suppose it's ttime to dig out all those ancient
disks, and hunt through the credits.

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unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (10/23/90)

In article <28@generic.UUCP> marekp@pnet91.cts.com (Marek Pawlowski) writes:
>6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) writes:
 >
 > Andy Nicholas did only a bit of DDDPro, it was
 >mostly written by Doug "I forgot his last name". :)
 >The nicest thing about it was that it was ProDOS
 >based.  Unfortunately the thing wasn't accepted, it
 >had a few minor bugs (like not remembering a dos 3.3
 >volume name...)
 > 
 >Make that vol. number.
 
 Didn't a character by the name of "Louis Roy" from Montreal, have something to
 do with the DDD series?  I suppose it's ttime to dig out all those ancient
 disks, and hunt through the credits.

	Yes you're right, but we're talking about DDDPro.
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jeffn@nuchat.UUCP (Jeff Noxon) (10/23/90)

In article <28@generic.UUCP> marekp@pnet91.cts.com (Marek Pawlowski) writes:
|Didn't a character by the name of "Louis Roy" from Montreal, have something to
|do with the DDD series?  I suppose it's ttime to dig out all those ancient
|disks, and hunt through the credits.

Louis Roy, aka Dalton, wrote the original DDD packers for DOS 3.3 as well as
DDD Deluxe.  Many people disassembled his DOS packer once it became accepted
and then pirate groups kept changing the version number and putting their BBS
numbers and so forth on it.  This also led to the ill-fated 3.5" DDD that ran
under DOS.  It was soon replaced by ProPacker 5.3c and then DDD Pro and
DigiPack.  We now all use ShrinkIt, of course.  Thanks, Andy!

DDD Pro didn't last because it was shareware and Roy's ego was bigger than
his packer's functionality.  I once had the misfortune of programming with
the guy, and he is something else.  Pretty wierd guy.  He's not from Montreal.
I forgot where in Canada he is, but it hurt my phone bill when I was working
with him.

Parik:  Doug Brandon is the name you're searching for, I believe.

Jeff
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marekp@pnet91.cts.com (Marek Pawlowski) (10/25/90)

> He's not from Montreal.

Then I wonder why the shareware fees were to be sent to Montreal.  Sheesh, you
Yanks and yer Canadian geography!   :)

(BTW, Jeff,  UUCP = almost there)

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