legler@masig2.ocean.fsu.edu (David M. Legler) (10/16/90)
With the recent introduction of the 3 *new* Macintosh models, the Macintosh
LC has a single slot which is usable for the soon-to-be-released Apple IIe
emulator card.
I have some info about this card:
From the 'official' What's Ahead From Apple Apple IIe Card Information Sheet:
65c02 microprocessor, running at 1.02 or 2.04 MhZ (selectable)
256K Ram(128K standard RAM); can also access up to 256K of the Mac LC
computer's memory
Apple IIe read-only memory(ROM) simulator( in write-protected portions
of the RAM) containing an Applesoft BASIC interpreter, system monitor,
80-column display firmware, and diagnostic routines.
Supports 40,80 columns, Mousetext, Low-Res, High Res, Double High-Res,
5.25 inch disk drive port, joystick/hand-control port
Uses Macintosh LC mouse, disk drives, and peripheral ports
Supports use of ProDOS, DOS 3.3 and Pascal
Available March 1991
Price (retail) is $199 (Gulp!)
In case you missed the product rollout, the demonstration of this card
was done by booting a Carmen San Diego 5.25 disk on the Mac LC. (Applause!)
Seems like a VERY REASONABLE price (Price of Mac not-withstanding) for
this capability.
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rkh@mtune.ATT.COM (Robert Halloran) (10/17/90)
In article <9010161443.AA06719@masig2.ocean.fsu.edu> legler@masig2.ocean.fsu.edu (David M. Legler) writes: >With the recent introduction of the 3 *new* Macintosh models, the Macintosh >LC has a single slot which is usable for the soon-to-be-released Apple IIe >emulator card. > >I have some info about this card: >From the 'official' What's Ahead From Apple Apple IIe Card Information Sheet: > > {deleted} > >Available March 1991 This, at least, gives some time to flame the mgmt at Cupertino about lack of support on the // line... >Price (retail) is $199 (Gulp!) > >Seems like a VERY REASONABLE price (Price of Mac not-withstanding) for >this capability. Of course, what isn't mentioned here is the roughly $3K cost of the LC with a color monitor. The school and home market that the //e card is supposedly targeted for is going to be a lot less likely to cough up this kind of money when they can get a noname PC clone for one-third as much and then buy Tandy's Trackstar board to run their Apple programs on....... Bob Halloran ========================================================================= Internet: rkh@mtune.dptg.att.com UUCP: att!mtune!rkh Disclaimer: If you think AT&T would have ME as a spokesman, you're crazed. "Apple II Forever"? Looks like Forever = 13 years, 6 months (4/15/77 - 10/15/90) =========================================================================
dcw@lcs.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) (10/17/90)
In article <9010161443.AA06719@masig2.ocean.fsu.edu> legler@masig2.ocean.fsu.edu (David M. Legler) writes: > >With the recent introduction of the 3 *new* Macintosh models, the Macintosh >LC has a single slot which is usable for the soon-to-be-released Apple IIe >emulator card. > >I have some info about this card: >256K Ram(128K standard RAM); can also access up to 256K of the Mac LC > computer's memory ... >Uses Macintosh LC mouse, disk drives, and peripheral ports > >Mr. David M. Legler ||(904)644-1159 or 644-4581 >Mesoscale Air-Sea Interaction ||Bitnet legler%masig1.ocean.fsu.edu@cunyvm > Group ||SPAN 7480::"legler@masig1.ocean.fsu.edu" >MS B-174 Love-012 ||Arpa legler@masig1.ocean.fsu.edu(128.186.3.1) >Florida State University || >Tallahassee, FL 32306-3041 || "An Apple II a day, keeps the PC blues away" > Just clarify a few points... I was at Apple on the 15th for a job interview and got to see the LC/][e combo running. The // side can consume at least 1 meg (although I think this might be dictated by how much memory is assigned to the driving software on the mac side) of the mac's memory for itself. This memory appears to the // as an AE memory card (that's what the engineer said). He ran Appleworks for me just to show that it all works. Using the mac hardware (drives, ports, etc) is pretty straightforward. There's a control panel where you have the set of available hardware in the mac down below and the seven "slots" above. One just drags the hardware items into the slots. In case some of you are wary, the thing was partially designed by one of the original // designers and has been pretty well tested. The folks I spoke to were quite pleased that they could run Raster Blaster no problem. From what I could gather, the MAC DTS engineers I talked to were pretty excited about this card. I am. It's neat. -- Dave Whitney | I wrote Z-Link and BinSCII. Send me bug Computer Science MIT 1990 | reports. I need a job. Send me an offer. dcw@goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu | My opinions, you hear? MINE! dcw@athena.mit.edu | "Isn't this where..."
bchurch@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Bob Church) (10/17/90)
In article <1990Oct17.130036.6406@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> dcw@lcs.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) writes: > > >Just clarify a few points... I was at Apple on the 15th for a job >interview and got to see the LC/][e combo running. Do you know if this card uses a 65c02 or not. I'd like to know if it would be possible to plug a Zip or Rocketchip into it. bob church bchurch.oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
dcw@lcs.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) (10/18/90)
In article <2168@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU> bchurch@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Bob Church) writes: >Do you know if this card uses a 65c02 or not. I'd like to know if it >would be possible to plug a Zip or Rocketchip into it. > >bob church >bchurch.oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Dunno. I didn't have time to ask lots of questions as my host was itching to eat lunch (it was about 2:30 at this point). I got a 10 minute demo and watched it do its stuff. The prototype I saw didn't work quite right in the production IIlc (the horizontal size of the video was too big - only got 32 cols instead of 40), but worked OK in a prototype LC. I don't even know what's socketed (I didn't see the *card*, I saw it work). -- Dave Whitney | I wrote Z-Link and BinSCII. Send me bug Computer Science MIT 1990 | reports. I need a job. Send me an offer. dcw@goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu | My opinions, you hear? MINE! dcw@athena.mit.edu | "Isn't this where..."
shiva@pro-lep.cts.com (Shiva The Destroyer) (10/18/90)
In-Reply-To: message from legler@masig2.ocean.fsu.edu Too bad, they missed a chance to zap the Zipchip market. If that IIe emulation board had 8mhz speed, then it would have been worth the trouble. Sounds like I'll have to stock a couple of used IIe's for parts replacement for the future. _____ UUCP: crash!pro-lep!shiva ARPA: crash!pro-lep!shiva@nosc.mil INET: shiva@pro-lep.cts.com
bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) (10/18/90)
In <2168@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU> bchurch@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Bob Church) writes: >Do you know if this card uses a 65c02 or not. I'd like to know if it >would be possible to plug a Zip or Rocketchip into it. >bob church >bchurch.oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu The official spec sheet on the IIe card says it DOES use the 65c02 chip.. -- bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu | bsherman@pro-exchange | MCI MAIL:BSHERMAN
MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET (10/19/90)
On Wed, 17 Oct 90 15:56:01 GMT Bob Church said: >Do you know if this card uses a 65c02 or not. I'd like to know if it >would be possible to plug a Zip or Rocketchip into it. > >bob church >bchurch.oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Yes. It uses the 65c02. I don't know if it's socketed or soldered, but I'm almost positive a ZIP or RocketChip would work. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | This is your brain... | BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm | | This is your brain on drugs... | pro-line: | | This is your brain on whole wheat.| mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com | |____________________________________|_______________________________|
hzink@alchemy.UUCP (Harry K. Zink) (10/20/90)
In article <2168@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU> bchurch@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Bob Church) writes: >Do you know if this card uses a 65c02 or not. I'd like to know if it >would be possible to plug a Zip or Rocketchip into it. >bob church >bchurch.oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu > I would guess that it does use a 65C02, but you can bet that it is soldered and not socketed in. As most of us know, in the interest of cutting back costs and making life impossibly hard for accelerator makers, Apple solders most of their chips, especially CPUs. Wouldn't want third parties to enhance our hardware, would we...? uucp : ucrmath!alchemy!hzink | Achieve True Wealth and Financial Independence! INET : hzink@alchemy.uucp | Intrigued? - Send E-Mail! -----------------------------+------------------------------------------------ Wesley: "Captain, this doesn't look like the holodeck to me." Worf: "Ready to cycle airlock, Captain." Picard: "Make it so."
tomk@pro-grouch.cts.com (Tom Kelly) (10/29/90)
In-Reply-To: message from hzink@alchemy.UUCP If a chip is soldered in a circuit card and you want to remove it to install another chip, it is best to cut the pins on the old part very near the body of the chip. Then unsolder each pin one at a time (this will reduce the risk of damage to the card). Install a chip socket in place of the chip and plug the new chip in the socket. UUCP: crash!pro-grouch!tomk ARPA: crash!pro-grouch!tomk@nosc.mil