sb@pnet91.uucp (Stephen Brown) (10/28/90)
Why does Apple (and everyone else, here...) continue to insist that the card for the LC is an Apple IIe card. It isn't, and it's an insult to the average Apple IIe owner's intelligence to suggest so. It is an Apple IIc card. Do you see any slots? Are all the usual peripherals built-in? If the answers to these questions are "no" and "yes", then I'm afraid its a IIc, not a IIe. Now, if I recall, the IIc didn't do too well compared to the IIe. Perhaps the LC, with its closed architecture, relatively high price tag, and IIc-card (**note I didn't make the mistake**) will die too. Can't say I wish it any success. Don't waste your flame-power on me. Apple II FOREVER. Stephen Brown, Willowdale, Ontario, CANADA. UUCP: lsuc!graham!pnet91!sb INET: sb@pnet91.cts.com
MQUINN%UTCVM@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (10/29/90)
On Sun, 28 Oct 90 04:00:05 GMT Stephen Brown said: >Why does Apple (and everyone else, here...) continue to insist that the card >for the LC is an Apple IIe card. It isn't, and it's an insult to the average >Apple IIe owner's intelligence to suggest so. It is an Apple IIc card. Do you >see any slots? Are all the usual peripherals built-in? If the answers to these >questions are "no" and "yes", then I'm afraid its a IIc, not a IIe. I think Apple calls it a //e card because of the 'software slots'. From what I understand about it (I might be wrong, but this is what I read), on the mac side, you have icons of slots and can drag icons of certain pieces of hardware onto them to emulate slots. I, personally, think it's a //c card too. I think another reason they call it a //e card is because it'll probably sell better than calling it a //c card. The 'ROMs' may be the same ROMs as the real //e and not the //c. I don't know about the ROMs thiny, but that's just a guess. >UUCP: lsuc!graham!pnet91!sb >INET: sb@pnet91.cts.com ____________________________________________________________________ |CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED C | | |ED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CEN| BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm | |ENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSOR| pro-line: | |ORED CEBSORED CENSORED CENSORED C| mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com | |____________________________________|_______________________________|
m.tiernan@pro-angmar.UUCP (Michael Tiernan) (10/31/90)
In-Reply-To: message from sb@pnet91.uucp
I'll tell ya why. Because as much as we'd like to believe different, there
was a difference between the //e and //c that was beyond the phyisical. There
were different ROMs for those machines. Not owning one, I cannot quite naild
down exactly what the differences were but they were there. Someone once told
me that you could format a disk using just a ROM routine or command. If this
is true, this would illustrate the differences. Yes, the //e had slots but it
was the most vanilla of the machines. I should change vanilla to 'straight
forward' to make that point.
Other than that, I agree with your principle here.
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- Phil Ochssb@pnet91.cts.com (Stephen Brown) (11/01/90)
In reply to message from Michael Tiernan (m.tiernan@pro-angmar.UUCP): There are many ways that the IIe and IIc differ, above and beyond the physical construction of these machines. For example, I'm 90% sure that the IIc's mini-assembler supports the 65C02 opcodes, while the IIe's don't. There are subtle differences in the firmware. Of course, the 'enhancement kit" (65C02 + new firmware and character set ROMs) were designed to make the IIe closer to the IIc. But ROMs don't entirely define a computer. And EVEN if the LC's IIC emulator card HAD exact duplicates of IIe's ROM (which I highly doubt!) the fact that it lacks physical slots, has stuff already in its invisible slots, etc. precludes it from being much like a IIe at all. (I wonder if its serial ports are like an SSC, or totally strange.)Closed architecture is just that! My point perhaps, is that Apple is calling it something that people can relate to, ie. educators can relate to the IIe, even though the REALITY is that its not a IIe, its not a IIc, but of anything, it EMULATES a IIc more. Its a marketing tactic, which may be convenient in terms of selling computers, but has little correlation with reality (or truth, for that matter). Hey, something like Sculley's promise to release a 2 new Apple II CPU's... :-( UUCP: lsuc!graham!pnet91!sb INET: sb@pnet91.cts.com