duerksen@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joel L. Duerksen) (11/04/90)
While building an archive Twilight cleared my screen and put up Universe
which is what it should do, with no keyboard activity. I saw it so I
moved my mouse so Shrinkit could continue, BEEEEP (my computer drops
to the monitor). And my hard disk was trashed. I've noticed some
programs crash when coming back from twilight, but normally they
don't trash my hard disk....
Joel Duerksen
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ARPA: duerksen@bsu-cs.bsu.edudcw@lcs.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) (11/05/90)
In article <12004@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> duerksen@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joel L. Duerksen) writes: >While building an archive Twilight cleared my screen and put up Universe >which is what it should do, with no keyboard activity. I saw it so I >moved my mouse so Shrinkit could continue, BEEEEP EEW! I noticed something else, Twilight kicks in when it "shouldn't." I mean that it starts up when the computer really is working on something. I did a very large Finder copy (from the latest developer CD - about 26MB of stuff). During the copy, Twilight kicked in and I had to babysit the machine to wake it back up every now and then (the copy stops when Twilight kicks in). Perhaps Twilight should be changed so that it kicks in when there is no OS activity as well as kbd/mouse idleness. -- Dave Whitney Computer Science MIT 1990 | I wrote Z-Link and BinSCII. Send me bug dcw@lcs.mit.edu | reports. I need a job. Send me an offer. Every now and then one makes a mistake. Mine was probably this post.
taob@pnet91.cts.com (Brian Tao) (11/06/90)
Twilight popped up the Universe while I was shrinking also, but it only crashed upon reentry once (it has happened about 5 times now). The other times, GSHK kept right on going without a hitch. Do you know if there is aversion later than 1.0 out? I have a three-page letter to Jonah (along with a hefty cheque!) that I'm waiting to send off, but if there is a version 1.1, I'd like to see it first. I have a whole list of suggestions for Twilight (like not blanking when GS/OS is accessing a disk drive...) \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Brian T. Tao | UUCP: torag!pnet91!taob | / \ | University of Toronto | INET: taob@pnet91.cts.com | \ The Apple II / | Scarberia, ON | taob@pro-micol.cts.com | / Lives On!! \ |:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| \ / | "Computer guru? Someone who got their computer a | /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | couple of weeks before you did." (Alvin Toffler) |
toddpw@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) (11/06/90)
Did you read the dox? Twilight has a 'never sleep' region, the bottom 8 lines of the screen. I've never had it crash on return from an unwanted blank (except once when I waited till the end of the SoundSmith .95 title song without moving the mouse). The first thing I think they should do is only count time while the system is taking events. This eliminates unwaanted blanking during long copies and so on. The second is to find some way of allowing programs to keep running while the blanker does its thing. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I am not sure it can be done 100% according to Apple's documentation. BTW, Twilight is $10. That ain't too hefty. Todd Whitesel toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
prophet@oxy.edu (Dale Bruce LaFountain) (11/07/90)
Yup. I have had Twilight crash AWGS SEVERAL times, as well as GS Shrinkit, GifConvert, and various other desktop applications. I don't even use Twilight anymore, because of this bugginess. Do the original authors know about these problems? I would really like to use this Cdev, but my productivity depends upon having a computer that doesn't crash every 15 minutes. Strange, isn't it? :-) Frustrated, Dale prophet@oxy.edu
q4kx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Joel Sumner) (11/07/90)
In article <1990Nov5.141614.28696@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, dcw@lcs.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) writes: > > EEW! I noticed something else, Twilight kicks in when it "shouldn't." > I mean that it starts up when the computer really is working on > something. I did a very large Finder copy (from the latest developer > CD - about 26MB of stuff). During the copy, Twilight kicked in and I > had to babysit the machine to wake it back up every now and then (the > copy stops when Twilight kicks in). Perhaps Twilight should be changed > so that it kicks in when there is no OS activity as well as kbd/mouse > idleness. If I recall, if you place the mouse pointer in the bottom 5 lines of the screen, Twilite won't kick in. Then again, you could go download Screen Blank INIT (which is free) and not worry about file copying or printing being stopped. <big grin> -- Joel Sumner GENIE:JOEL.SUMNER These opinions are q4kx@cornella.ccs.cornell.edu q4kx@cornella warranted for 90 days or q4kx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu q4kx@crnlvax5 60,000 miles. Whichever .................................................... comes first. Never test for an error condition that you can't handle.
jm7e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremy G. Mereness) (11/08/90)
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.apple2: 5-Nov-90 Re: Twilight, GShrinkit, cr.. David C. Whitney@lcs.mit (991) > Perhaps Twilight should be changed > so that it kicks in when there is no OS activity as well as kbd/mouse > idleness. It would also be nice if Twilight watched for Joystick activity for certain types of games... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |Jeremy Mereness | Support | Ye Olde Disclaimer: | |jm7e+@andrew.cmu.edu (internet) | Free | The above represent my| |a700jm7e@cmccvb (Vax... bitnet) | Software| opinions, alone. | |staff/student@Carnegie Mellon U.| | Ya Gotta Love It. | -----------------------------------------------------------------------
zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) (11/08/90)
I READ THE DOCS to Twilight and it said that if you leave your mouse at the bottom
of the screen (lower 4 lines I think) it will not kick in.
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zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM
taob@pnet91.cts.com (Brian Tao) (11/09/90)
> It would also be nice if Twilight watched for Joystick activity for > certain types of games... That would be a good idea as well. I've had Twilight blank the screen a few times while in the heat of Cosmocade action. Specifically in Journey to Calibus. Has everyone sent in their shareware fee? Support Brian and Dave!!! \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Brian T. Tao | UUCP: torag!pnet91!taob | / \ | University of Toronto | INET: taob@pnet91.cts.com | \ The Apple II / | Scarberia, ON | taob@pro-micol.cts.com | / Lives On!! \ |:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| \ / | "Computer guru? Someone who got their computer a | /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | couple of weeks before you did." (Alvin Toffler) |