delaneyg@wnre.aecl.ca ("H. Grant Delaney") (10/23/90)
Here is a question for anyone. I'm ordering a 80 Meg SCSI drive and want to be able to daisy chain a CD Rom drive to it. Will either the APPLE High Speed SCSI or Ram Fast card allow me to do this. I have a Pioneer drive that should work (I got it for my Sterio as well) and would like to be able to addit in for the ever so rare CD Roms. Thanks Grant Delaney Delanryg@wnre.aecl.ca
MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET (10/23/90)
On Mon, 22 Oct 90 18:59:00 -0600 H. Grant Delaney said: >Here is a question for anyone. I'm ordering a 80 Meg SCSI drive and want to >be able to daisy chain a CD Rom drive to it. Will either the APPLE High >Speed SCSI or Ram Fast card allow me to do this. I have a Pioneer drive Yes... as long as you set the terminators up right (don't ask me how though :). >Thanks >Grant Delaney >Delanryg@wnre.aecl.ca ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | This is your brain... | BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm | | This is your brain on drugs... | pro-line: | | This is your brain on whole wheat.| mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com | |____________________________________|_______________________________|
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (10/23/90)
In article <9010230531.AA12688@apple.com> MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET writes: >On Mon, 22 Oct 90 18:59:00 -0600 H. Grant Delaney said: >>Here is a question for anyone. I'm ordering a 80 Meg SCSI drive and want to >>be able to daisy chain a CD Rom drive to it. Will either the APPLE High >>Speed SCSI or Ram Fast card allow me to do this. I have a Pioneer drive >Yes... as long as you set the terminators up right (don't ask me how though :). BUZZZ! Sorry, thanks for playing, and no parting gifts for you... (just kidding) At least in the last info I heard, the RAMFAST only worked with plain old hard drives.. DIDN'T work with removable SCSI media, whether it be floptical drives, Syquest based drives, or CD Roms.. All of these problems were being worked on for a future version but it doesn't exist now from what I heard. So I don't regret buying the Apple card since I plan on getting a Syqyest based drive.. (when a newer version of the RAMfast that DOES support removable media comes out, THEN I'll regret buying it! Actually not really, because buying the DMA Card shows how many II people are around that still buy stuff for it!) -- / Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu \ \"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/
rkh@mtune.ATT.COM (Robert Halloran) (10/23/90)
In article <8101@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > At least in the last info I heard, the RAMFAST only worked with >plain old hard drives.. DIDN'T work with removable SCSI media, whether it >be floptical drives, Syquest based drives, or CD Roms.. Could someone confirm this? I was planning on getting a Syquest for my GS, and wanted to use the RAMfast card rather that the HS SCSI. If the above is true, though, I'll be stuck with the Apple board. Bob Halloran ========================================================================= Internet: rkh@mtune.dptg.att.com UUCP: att!mtune!rkh Disclaimer: If you think AT&T would have ME as a spokesman, you're crazed. "Apple II Forever"? Looks like Forever = 13 years, 6 months (4/15/77 - 10/15/90) =========================================================================
6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) (10/24/90)
The RAMFast Roms revision 2.0 will begin shipping early november or dec., I forget. THey will support CD-ROM, Tape Drives, mouse-support in the config program, and if space allows a cda. $15 upgrade fee for those who own RAMFasts. BTW, I dunno even if the Apple DMA SCSI drive will support the pioneer-cd rom. Unless its gonna conform to the scsi specs, it may not work. For example, I believe the NEC cd-rom drive doesn't work.
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) (10/24/90)
In article <145*delaneyg@wnre.aecl.ca> delaneyg@wnre.aecl.ca ("H. Grant Delaney") writes: >Here is a question for anyone. I'm ordering a 80 Meg SCSI drive and want to >be able to daisy chain a CD Rom drive to it. Will either the APPLE High >Speed SCSI or Ram Fast card allow me to do this. Yes, the Apple High-Speed SCSI Card supports this. Follow the special instructions for setting the SCSI device priority for the CD-ROM. Last I heard, CirTech's RAMfast SCSI card supported hard disks only, not CD-ROMs or scanners.
rnf@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Rick Fincher) (10/25/90)
rkh@mtune.ATT.COM (Robert Halloran) writes: >In article <8101@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >> At least in the last info I heard, the RAMFAST only worked with >>plain old hard drives.. DIDN'T work with removable SCSI media, whether it >>be floptical drives, Syquest based drives, or CD Roms.. This is not correct. The RamFast works fine with Syquest drives, I use one every day. What it does NOT do is allow you to change cartridges without rebooting. There is supposedly a ROM upgrade in the works to allow this. If you want to use the drive like a giant floppy then you can't with the RamFast, yet anyway. If you just want to be able to use it like a regular drive that you can use to boot a particular cartridge or for backing up another hard drive, it works fine. Apple's SCSI drivers allow the use of the drive as a true removable, so cards that work with Apple's drivers will do that with the Syquest. The RamFast has its own driver and it is not currently written to use the mounting/dismounting abilities of the Syquest. >Could someone confirm this? I was planning on getting a Syquest for my GS, >and wanted to use the RAMfast card rather that the HS SCSI. If the above >is true, though, I'll be stuck with the Apple board. > Bob Halloran >========================================================================= >Internet: rkh@mtune.dptg.att.com UUCP: att!mtune!rkh >Disclaimer: If you think AT&T would have ME as a spokesman, you're crazed. >"Apple II Forever"? Looks like Forever = 13 years, 6 months > (4/15/77 - 10/15/90) >=========================================================================
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (10/25/90)
In article <1990Oct24.203500.13274@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> rnf@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Rick Fincher) writes: >rkh@mtune.ATT.COM (Robert Halloran) writes: >>In article <8101@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >>> At least in the last info I heard, the RAMFAST only worked with >>>plain old hard drives.. DIDN'T work with removable SCSI media, whether it >>>be floptical drives, Syquest based drives, or CD Roms.. >This is not correct. The RamFast works fine with Syquest drives, I use >one every day. What it does NOT do is allow you to change cartridges >without rebooting. There is supposedly a ROM upgrade in the works to >allow this. > >If you want to use the drive like a giant floppy then you can't with the That's the purpose of a Syquest, giant floppies... I'm most likely getting one to use one cartridge for backup and one for the main cartridge so I don't ever have to use floppies except for stuff I use so rarely it's not worth putting on the cartridge... >RamFast, yet anyway. If you just want to be able to use it like a >regular drive that you can use to boot a particular cartridge or for backing >up another hard drive, it works fine. Ok.. Picky picky... Having a Syquest without being able to change drives is like me giving you a floppy drive and saying you can never switch floppies. Whoopie?! The only use of a Syquest over a standard hard drive is its removability.. (as Syquest based drives are usually at LEAST a little bit slower than fast regular hard drives). -- / Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu \ \"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/
spock@wrkof.incom.de (Martin Georg) (10/25/90)
In article <863@mtune.ATT.COM> rkh@mtune.ATT.COM (Robert Halloran) writes: >In article <8101@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >> At least in the last info I heard, the RAMFAST only worked with >>plain old hard drives.. DIDN'T work with removable SCSI media, whether it >>be floptical drives, Syquest based drives, or CD Roms.. > >Could someone confirm this? I was planning on getting a Syquest for my GS, >and wanted to use the RAMfast card rather that the HS SCSI. If the above >is true, though, I'll be stuck with the Apple board. > > Bob Halloran >========================================================================= >Internet: rkh@mtune.dptg.att.com UUCP: att!mtune!rkh >Disclaimer: If you think AT&T would have ME as a spokesman, you're crazed. >"Apple II Forever"? Looks like Forever = 13 years, 6 months > (4/15/77 - 10/15/90) >========================================================================= Hi Folks! I think the RamFAST will work well with Syquests as long as you do not use removable-media features of the drive (i.e. removing the drive during write or read operations). But there will be true support for that kind of drives in nearest future when VC Tech will release their ROM Version 2.0 (I think it will be in four weeks...). I highly recommend the RamFAST. The difference in Speed is amazing, and it is even better when using ProDOS 8. The Apple High Speed is only about 20-30% faster that the old SCSI rev. C and not worth the money... Martin Georg Frankfurt, Germany ----> Apple II forever! <----
scottr@gnh-applesauce.cts.com (Scott Rothstein) (10/25/90)
Both the Apple SCSI and the RAMfast should allow it. That's IS the one of the features of SCSI devices after all -- daisy chaining. scottr@applesauce.bb.ny
scottr@gnh-applesauce.cts.com (Scott Rothstein) (10/25/90)
The need for terminators is questionable. I have a 105 meg Unimac hooked up to my GS, and no SCSI terminator is needed. (Course, when it first arrived in the mail, and there was no terminator included, I was a bit annoyed. I called the place I bought it from, and they said the new SCSI card didn't need terminators). The point is, the HD works.... //////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ Internet: scottr@applesauce.cts.com /\ ts'hahl: / / Handle: Monte \/ no retreat \ \ AKA: Monte * fytr /\ no surrender / / America Online: COMING SOON!! |---------------- \ \----------------------------------------------------------/ / Whataver you do, DON'T let them think FOR you!!! \ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////////////////////////////// scottr@applesauce.bb.ny
rnf@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Rick Fincher) (10/26/90)
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >In article <1990Oct24.203500.13274@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> rnf@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Rick Fincher) writes: >>rkh@mtune.ATT.COM (Robert Halloran) writes: >>>In article <8101@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > >That's the purpose of a Syquest, giant floppies... I'm most likely >getting one to use one cartridge for backup and one for the main cartridge >so I don't ever have to use floppies except for stuff I use so rarely it's >not worth putting on the cartridge... That may be YOUR purpose but it is not everyones. >>RamFast, yet anyway. If you just want to be able to use it like a >>regular drive that you can use to boot a particular cartridge or for backing >>up another hard drive, it works fine. > Ok.. Picky picky... > Having a Syquest without being able to change drives is like me >giving you a floppy drive and saying you can never switch floppies. >Whoopie?! The only use of a Syquest over a standard hard drive is its >removability.. (as Syquest based drives are usually at LEAST a little >bit slower than fast regular hard drives). The need to change out 40 meg chunks of disk storage is far less than the need to change out 140K or 800K chunks of disk storage. With a regular drive you get X megs, period. With a removable you get unlimited megs in 40 meg chunks. You can also use the drive on multiple machines, ie you can have a ProDOS, MS-Dos and Mac cartridge and carry the drive from one machine to the other when needed. If you want to use it like a floppy be advised that letting one cartridge spin down, removing it, inserting the new cartridge, letting it spin up to speed takes about a minute and a half. If you don't have gobs of ram it is slower than backing up to floppies. If you do have gobs of ram you can make a big RAM disk, copy a chunk of stuff to it, remove the old cartridge and insert the new one and warm boot (takes about 15 seconds with RamFast), then copy the contents of the RAM disk to the new cartridge. >-- >/ Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu \ Rick Fincher rnf@catt.ncsu.edu
rnf@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Rick Fincher) (10/26/90)
scottr@gnh-applesauce.cts.com (Scott Rothstein) writes: >The need for terminators is questionable. I have a 105 meg Unimac hooked up to >my GS, and no SCSI terminator is needed. (Course, when it first arrived in the >mail, and there was no terminator included, I was a bit annoyed. I called the >place I bought it from, and they said the new SCSI card didn't need >terminators). The point is, the HD works.... Most drives these days are internally terminated. That's fine when you have only one drive, but when you daisy chain drives you have to remove the intl terminators on all but the last drive. All current SCSI devices must be terminated if they are at the end of the chain. >//////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ >\ Internet: scottr@applesauce.cts.com /\ ts'hahl: / >/ Handle: Monte \/ no retreat \ >\ AKA: Monte * fytr /\ no surrender / >/ America Online: COMING SOON!! |---------------- \ >\----------------------------------------------------------/ >/ Whataver you do, DON'T let them think FOR you!!! \ >\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////////////////////////////// >scottr@applesauce.bb.ny Rick Fincher rnf@catt.ncsu.edu
toddpw@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) (10/26/90)
scottr@gnh-applesauce.cts.com (Scott Rothstein) writes: >The need for terminators is questionable. I have a 105 meg Unimac hooked up to >my GS, and no SCSI terminator is needed. (Course, when it first arrived in the >mail, and there was no terminator included, I was a bit annoyed. I called the >place I bought it from, and they said the new SCSI card didn't need >terminators). The point is, the HD works.... SCSI termination is a black art. Terminators are essentially resistors that provide a 'cushion' for the signals moving down the wire. They can take the form of either external terminator packs or of 3 little resistor packs (these look like little chips with one row of pins) inside the drive or on the SCSI card. The DMA SCSI has a terminator built into it. The RAMFast has a dip switch selectable terminator built into it. Your HD most probably has three little resistor packs inside it (my Quantum 105 did), i.e. it probably has termination built into it too. You can remove the HD's terminators but you have to open the drive case and get to the drive mechansim itself to do it. The point here is, the need for EXTERNAL terminators is questionable. The need for terminators in general is very important because you can have creeping data errors (with no warning!) if your termination is questionable. 99% of the time it will be painfully obvious that the termination is bad (i.e. GS/OS will crash midway through booting, and not because of DMA problems). The official word on SCSI busses and termination is -- two terminators, one at each _end_. If there are only two devices (i.e. 1 computer and 1 drive) then you can usually get away with only one terminator, although two are preferable. You can also usually get away with three terminators on a three device chain, however I wouldn't recommend it (I've had some questionable errors occur under those conditions). Hope this makes a reasonable amount of sense. Todd Whitesel toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
MQUINN%UTCVM@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (10/26/90)
On Thu, 25 Oct 90 01:56:03 GMT The Unknown User said: > Having a Syquest without being able to change drives is like me >giving you a floppy drive and saying you can never switch floppies. >Whoopie?! The only use of a Syquest over a standard hard drive is its >removability.. (as Syquest based drives are usually at LEAST a little >bit slower than fast regular hard drives). Well, it's a little better than that. You CAN take out the cartridge and reboot with another... It beets the alternativ of buying another hard drive disconnecting the old and reconnecting the new one. Actually, having the ability to switch cartridges isn't as good as it sounds. I've gat Syquest based Ehman 45meg removable and I have the ability to remove a cartridge without rebooting, but it's a real pain because the system software always asks for the system disk for every nit-picky thing I try to do, so I have to hit the 'eject' button, wait for that cartridge to stop spinning, take it out, put in the 'system' cartridge, wait 15 seconds for it to start up again then tell it that it's there. Then, the operating system asks for the other cartridge again. It's usually several times for each application I want to launch. So, whenever I want to use another cartridge, I just eject the old, and reboot from the new. It's not as practical swapping cartridges as it is swapping floppies. On the other hand, you COULD boot from a floppy, then there wouldn't be the hassle of having to stick in the 'system' cartridge, but then, you're extremely limited to the amount of NDA's CDEV's and CDA's you have installed and if you ever want to do anything with floppies, you have to swap disks again, unless you have more than one 3.5" drive but you're still faced with the NDA problem and the speed (or 'lack of...') with the floppies. Maybe the AE 3.5" 1.44meg drive would make this feesible. Anyway, I just thought you might want to hear what it's like from someone that has already tried it, for your own benefit. >-- >/ Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu \ >\"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/ ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | This is your brain... | BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm | | This is your brain on drugs... | pro-line: | | This is your brain on whole wheat.| mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com | |____________________________________|_______________________________|
MQUINN%UTCVM@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (10/26/90)
On Thu, 25 Oct 90 18:39:45 GMT Rick Fincher said: > >If you want to use it like a floppy be advised that letting one >cartridge spin down, removing it, inserting the new cartridge, letting >it spin up to speed takes about a minute and a half. If you don't have >gobs of ram it is slower than backing up to floppies. If you do have ---------------------------------- DEFINITELY!!!! I had to back up one of my cartridges. I didn't have enough floppies, so I thought I'd be clever and backup to another cartridge, well, THREE DAYS later, I finally finished. I had to leave the computer on when I got tired, went to bed or went to work or school and finish whenever I came back and hope to GOD that the power hadn't gone out while I was gone. I don't recommend doing this unless you have TWO drives to copy cartridges. I had to swap disks at least a thousand times (no joke!)! It only copies a few hundred Kilobytes at a time when you only have 1.2megs (and I used to think a meg was alot of memory!).. Anyway, when each swap takes a minute to a minute and a half, don't count on using the computer for the next three days. >Rick Fincher >rnf@catt.ncsu.edu ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | This is your brain... | BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm | | This is your brain on drugs... | pro-line: | | This is your brain on whole wheat.| mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com | |____________________________________|_______________________________|
gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (10/26/90)
In article <0093EB2AE6574820.00000111@dcs.simpact.com> scottr@gnh-applesauce.cts.com (Scott Rothstein) writes: >The need for terminators is questionable. It is not at all questionable, since improper termination yields horrible noise margins. Apple's High-Speed (DMA) SCSI Card is internally terminated, unlike the previous non-DMA Apple SCSI Card. However, both ends of the SCSI bus need termination. Therefore, one more terminator is called for at the "far" end of the bus. Most SCSI devices are shipped with terminating resistor packs installed. These are removable and in fact should be removed, unless you wish to use internal termination at the far end of the SCSI bus in place of the more convenient but more costly use of an external terminator.
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (10/26/90)
In article <1990Oct25.183945.14458@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> rnf@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Rick Fincher) writes: >The need to change out 40 meg chunks of disk storage is far less than >the need to change out 140K or 800K chunks of disk storage. > >If you want to use it like a floppy be advised that letting one >cartridge spin down, removing it, inserting the new cartridge, letting >it spin up to speed takes about a minute and a half. If you don't have >gobs of ram it is slower than backing up to floppies. If you do have >gobs of ram you can make a big RAM disk, copy a chunk of stuff to it, >remove the old cartridge and insert the new one and warm boot (takes >about 15 seconds with RamFast), then copy the contents of the RAM disk >to the new cartridge. Well, on the 45 meg cartridge drive that I borrowed for a weekend a few months ago (PLI brand, but is based on/uses the Syquest mechanism like I think all 45 meg cartridge drives), it took more like 30 seconds to switch drives... at most... I could be wrong, but it seemed a looot faster than the huge amounts of time other people had said it would take.. (and yes, I did wait for it to completely stop, or else I'd've ripped off the heads!) Also, with nearly the minimum bootable Finder I could put on it, it still took ~30 seconds to boot I think.. or maybe it was with a few DAs... Whatever, it wasn't with a huge system with tons of fonts or anything.. This was on Apple's DMA card too, and yes I had the special SCSI tools in... Just seemed kind of slow! But then again, I couldn't find any programs that would let me change the interleave.. -- / Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu \ \"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/
adamr@pro-novapple.cts.com (Adam Robey) (10/27/90)
In-Reply-To: message from delaneyg@wnre.aecl.ca I saw a reply to this message that might or might not be right so I figured I might as well let you know "just in case". The Apple High Speed SCSI card should work perfectly with the CD-ROM drive and the hard drive. However, the last I heard about RamFAST was that the current revision did not support any devices EXCEPT for drives. They said they planned a new version for later but you might want to ask them: C.V. Technologies 9431 Saddlebrook Lane Suite #2C Miamisburg, OH 45342 (513) 435-5743 In any case, the RamFAST is a better card but the Apple card lists at $129 and RamFAST lists at $160 MORE than that. -AMR _____________________________________________________________________________ | PROLINE: pro-novapple!adamr | UUCP: crash!pro-novapple!adamr | | ARPA: crash!pro-novapple!adamr@nosc.mil | INET: adamr@pro-novapple.cts.com | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
taob@pnet91.uucp (Brian Tao) (10/28/90)
The original RAMFast SCSI card only supported fixed hard drives and removable media -- as long as you didn't remove them! One benefit of buying Apple peripherals is that you can be sure that future enhancements will be compatible with it. CV Tech has demonstrated that it can keep up with the enhancements, as shown by its version 2.0 of the ROMs (shipping near the end of November). BT UUCP: torag!pnet91!taob INET: taob@pnet91.cts.com
whitewolf@gnh-starport.cts.com (Tae Song) (11/05/90)
RAMFast at the end of Nov will be upgraded to work with a wider variety of SCSI products. All you have to do is replace the current ROM on the RAMFast to version 2.0. It supports removable drives much better (RAMFast will work with SysQuest 44M drives, except you're not allowed to change disks) and new support for tape drives and CD-ROMs, etc. People who have RAMFast already, will recieve a card in the mail notifying them of the upgrade. The upgrade ROMs will be $15.
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (11/05/90)
In article <m0iVyJS-0001f2C@jartel.info.com> whitewolf@gnh-starport.cts.com (Tae Song) writes: >RAMFast at the end of Nov will be upgraded to work with a wider variety of SCSI >products. All you have to do is replace the current ROM on the RAMFast to >version 2.0. It supports removable drives much better (RAMFast will work with >SysQuest 44M drives, except you're not allowed to change disks) and new support >for tape drives and CD-ROMs, etc. I still don't consider that "support" of SyQuest drives! Without being able to change disks, a SyQuest drive (while the computer is on) is simply a ~45 megabyte hard drive. That's it. An expensive and relatively slow ~45 megabyte hard drive at that. Does Cirtech have any kind of an upgrade from the Apple DMA SCSI card to the RAMFast? If/when they TRULY support removable media I may consider upgrading if they have any upgrade scheme. -- /Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP CDs\ \"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/
ronl@pnet91.cts.com (Ron Lewin) (11/06/90)
Note that Tae Song's original post about the RamFAST 2.0 ROM upgrade and SyQuest drives were misleading. The situation he describes (not being able to change disks) is the current situation with the current ROMs. The new ROMs will allow you to change disks anytime, just like a 3.5" drive. The hard drive icon for the drive dims when you remove it, and a new one appears when you pop in a new disk. Ron UUCP: bkj386!pnet91!ronl INET: ronl@pnet91.cts.com
whitewolf@gnh-starport.cts.com (Tae Song) (11/11/90)
| I still don't consider that "support" of SyQuest drives! Without |being able to change disks, a SyQuest drive (while the computer is on) is |simply a ~45 megabyte hard drive. That's it. An expensive and relatively |slow ~45 megabyte hard drive at that. | | Does Cirtech have any kind of an upgrade from the Apple DMA SCSI |card to the RAMFast? If/when they TRULY support removable media I may |consider upgrading if they have any upgrade scheme. Nono, the NEW ROMs WILL let you change cartridges, RIGHT NOW with the current ROMs you can only use one!!! I'm SORRY, I didn't didn't make my meaning CLEAR! I'm lousy at explain thing, so sue me. Second question no longer applies, I hope... I think you just want an excuse to get Apple DMA card... sheesh... Take my WORD... PLEASE... The RAMFast is kick-ass (excuse my french)... it beats Apples card by a long shot, NOT to mention you can access 8-12 partition in ProDOS 8 and you still get about the same speed as if you were in GS/OS while your in ProDOS 8. RAMFast, BTW is MADE by CV Tech, not Cirtech. It does writes to disk in the back ground... you don't have to wait for it to write to disk... it waits for you to tell it to do something like roll over... :) TRUST ME... YOU WILL NEVER REGRET GETTING RAMFAST!!! You will regret not getting it sooner!!!
whitewolf@gnh-starport.cts.com (Tae Song) (11/11/90)
Thanks, Ron for explain about the RAMFast ROMs and SyQuest drives... I was a bit excited cause I had enough money to get a Zip GSX and it was late, and I needed some sleep... and I'm lousy at explain things... and.. and.. %)
taob@pnet91.cts.com (Brian Tao) (11/11/90)
From whitewolf@gnh-starport.cts.com (Tae Song): >Take my WORD... PLEASE... The RAMFast is kick-ass (excuse my french)... it > beats Apples card by a long shot, NOT to mention you can access 8-12 > partition in ProDOS 8 and you still get about the same speed as if you were > in GS/OS while your in ProDOS 8. RAMFast, BTW is MADE by CV Tech, not > Cirtech. It does writes to disk in the back ground... you don't have to wait > for it to write to disk... it waits for you to tell it to do something like > roll over... :) > > TRUST ME... YOU WILL NEVER REGRET GETTING RAMFAST!!! You will regret not > getting it sooner!!! You didn't address that post to me, although you did convince me further to get a RAMFast over an Apple DMA... according to a local supplier, his next shipment of RAMFasts (which will come in on Monday) will have the new ROM's installed on them. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Brian T. Tao | UUCP: torag!pnet91!taob | / \ | University of Toronto | INET: taob@pnet91.cts.com | \ The Apple II / | Scarberia, ON | taob@pro-micol.cts.com | / Lives On!! \ |:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| \ / | "Computer guru? Someone who got their computer a | /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | couple of weeks before you did." (Alvin Toffler) |