WKF2298@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU (Wonko the Sane) (10/30/90)
I'm thankful for whoever asked about the .bsq files, but it hasn't helped. I've been trying to get files off of wuarchive.wustl.edu and most of the files have an extension of .bsq.Z I cannot find a FiLeStArT in it, nor will BINSCII touch it. What is the .Z? Another problem, and it may be specific to the particular VAX system that I'm using, but you cannot FTP a file that is ASCII via Binary or vice versa. You would think that an ASCII could be sent Binary, but who knows. I have tried sending both ways, but it hasn't helped. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. William K. Fry wkf2298@ritvax
toddpw@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) (10/30/90)
WKF2298@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU (Wonko the Sane) writes: > I'm thankful for whoever asked about the .bsq files, but it hasn't >helped. I've been trying to get files off of wuarchive.wustl.edu and most >of the files have an extension of .bsq.Z > I cannot find a FiLeStArT in it, nor will BINSCII touch it. What >is the .Z? The .Z means that you need the unix utility 'uncompress' to get the .Z off of it. I believe that VMS versions of uncompress are available but I don't know where you can obtain them. > Another problem, and it may be specific to the particular VAX system >that I'm using, but you cannot FTP a file that is ASCII via Binary or vice >versa. You would think that an ASCII could be sent Binary, but who knows. The reason to use ascii transfer is when the two computers at each end use different line-seperator characters -- unix uses linefeeds, and Apple has always used carriage returns. Using ascii transfer translates these properly. If the two systems use the same line seperator then you should be able to use binary for text files without problems. Todd Whitesel toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (10/30/90)
In article <11225D0398DFE042CD@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> WKF2298@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU (Wonko the Sane) writes: >What is the .Z? Files ending in .Z are usually ones that have been compressed by the BSD UNIX "compress" utility. Use "uncompress" to uncompress them.
C489030@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (Greg Hodgdon) (10/30/90)
I'm having trouble of a similar nature with some files that have something like "NuFile..............NuFX" or something like that. I thought these would be ShrinkIt files without the BinSCII treatment, but ShrinkIt says "Not a known archive!" when I try it. What's the deal here? Do i need to do binary transfers (I'm using kermit-cms). also, is there a way to unpack the .Z files in CMS ? I don't have access to a unix system here. thanks in advance Greg Hodgdon C489030@UMCVMB.missouri.edu
SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu (10/30/90)
In article <9010300537.AA11430@apple.com>, C489030@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (Greg Hodgdon) says: > >I'm having trouble of a similar nature with some files that have >something like "NuFile..............NuFX" or something like that. >I thought these would be ShrinkIt files without the BinSCII treatment, >but ShrinkIt says "Not a known archive!" when I try it. What's the >deal here? Do i need to do binary transfers (I'm using kermit-cms). > >also, is there a way to unpack the .Z files in CMS ? I don't have >access to a unix system here. > I think you have to use binary. If it says NuFile or NuFX, then I don't think it is binscii, therefore it MUST be downloaded in binary, esp. on a CMS system. .Z files can be unpacked with ShrinkIt/GS. I know, I tried, it works. They MUST however be dl in binary with Kermit. ProTerm binary transfer with ProTerms Kerm it emulation doesn't do 8-bit quoting (a silly oversight...). Thanks! > thanks in advance > > Greg Hodgdon C489030@UMCVMB.missouri.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Salvatore A. Buttice | Bitnet: SAB121@PSUVM \_ Preferred | | RD#1 Box 488 | InterNet: sab121@psuvm.psu.edu / (It's Free!) | | Espyville, PA 16424 | Cleveland FreeNet: aj670 \_ If the above does | | Apple II ForEver!! | America Online: Sal15 / not work for you! |
USERSIG@MTSG.UBC.CA (10/31/90)
>>Another problem, and it may be specific to the particular VAX system >>that I'm using, but you cannot FTP a file that is ASCII via Binary or vice >>versa. You would think that an ASCII could be sent Binary, but who knows. > >The reason to use ascii transfer is when the two computers at each end use >different line-seperator characters -- unix uses linefeeds, and Apple has >always used carriage returns. Using ascii transfer translates these properly. >If the two systems use the same line seperator then you should be able to use >binary for text files without problems. An even more important reason for transferring text files in text mode rather than binary mode is that some systems (namely IBM mainframes) use EBCDIC encoding for text files rather than ASCII. An EBCDIC file transferred as text will be converted to ASCII if the receiving machine uses ASCII. If transferred in binary, the file will not change, so it will be useless on an ASCII system. Les_Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca
greyelf@joseph.wpi.edu (Michael J Pender) (10/31/90)
In article <11225D0398DFE042CD@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> WKF2298@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU (Wonko the Sane) writes: > > I'm thankful for whoever asked about the .bsq files, but it hasn't >helped. I've been trying to get files off of wuarchive.wustl.edu and most >of the files have an extension of .bsq.Z The .Z suffix must be handled first, it means someone ran 'compress' on it. Compress is a UNIX file compressor, you probably have it on your system. To restore it on this system I would type uncompress filename. After uncompressing you will be left with just the .bsq suffix. The .bsq means it is a binary II squeezed file. Use blu or shrinkit to expand it back, after sending the file to your apple. > Another problem, and it may be specific to the particular VAX system >that I'm using, but you cannot FTP a file that is ASCII via Binary or vice >versa. You would think that an ASCII could be sent Binary, but who knows. > I have tried sending both ways, but it hasn't helped. Could be the fact that some systems set/clear the high bit of ascii, and some use different line feed/carriage return combinations. Some programs like Binscii are forgiving and will unwrap a file anyway. --- Michael J Pender Jr Box 1942 c/o W.P.I. Part of this D- belongs to greyelf@wpi.bitnet 100 Institute Rd. God... greyelf@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester, Ma 01609 - B. Simpson -- --- Michael J Pender Jr Box 1942 c/o W.P.I. Part of this D- belongs to greyelf@wpi.bitnet 100 Institute Rd. God... greyelf@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester, Ma 01609 - B. Simpson
jh4o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeffrey T. Hutzelman) (10/31/90)
I don't see why the compress/uncompress utility for the IIgs couldn't be
ported to VMS.
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>> Apple // Forever!!! <<cwilson@NISC.SRI.COM (Chan Wilson [Animal]) (10/31/90)
In article <11225D0398DFE042CD@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> WKF2298@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU (Wonko the Sane) writes: > > I'm thankful for whoever asked about the .bsq files, but it hasn't >helped. I've been trying to get files off of wuarchive.wustl.edu and most >of the files have an extension of .bsq.Z > I cannot find a FiLeStArT in it, nor will BINSCII touch it. What >is the .Z? AUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!! ALL THESE, AND MANY MORE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS, CAN BE FOUND IN THE README FILE!!!!!!!!!!!! Really now, that's why they're called README files, not "please.ignore.this.file.it.contains.no.useful.information." > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. Uh huh. Sigh. It's been a day. --Chan ................ Chan Wilson -- cwilson@nisc.sri.com <!> I don't speak for SRI. Janitor/Architect of comp.binaries.apple2 archive on wuarchive.wustl.edu "a2fx it!" ................
greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer T. H.) (11/02/90)
... <SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >.Z files can be unpacked with ShrinkIt/GS. I know, I tried, it works. They >MUST however be dl in binary with Kermit. ProTerm binary transfer with >ProTerms Kermit emulation doesn't do 8-bit quoting (a silly oversight...). >Thanks! No wonder all my Kermit binary dl's were corrupted! I had several .bsq files sitting around, taking up quota. Then got sciibin and extracted them, thus reducing the space they were taking up. Then I find out I can't get them downloaded in binary form. Are there any patches out for ProTERM to fix this (or is the included text completely off base)? Kermit is the only method I've found on this system to get files off of it. Oh well, I just continue doing it how I've been doing it... FTP files from my account to a Mac and Xmodeming it to my system. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| Salvatore A. Buttice | Bitnet: SAB121@PSUVM \_ Preferred | >| RD#1 Box 488 | InterNet: sab121@psuvm.psu.edu / (It's Free!) | >| Espyville, PA 16424 | Cleveland FreeNet: aj670 \_ If the above does | >| Apple II ForEver!! | America Online: Sal15 / not work for you! | -- __ _____________ __ \ \_\ \__ __/ /_/ / "Here's one you shouldn't be able to answer: \greg@hoss.unl.edu/ What is the nature of the Universe?" \_\ \_\|_|/_/ /_/ --Dr. Crusher, "Remember Me"
greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer T. H.) (11/02/90)
... greyelf@joseph.wpi.edu (Michael J Pender) writes: >The .bsq means it is a binary II squeezed file. Use blu or shrinkit to >expand it back, after sending the file to your apple. Wha'? I thought it meant it was a BinSCII file (.bsc) that contained a ShrinkIT file (.shk) in the sense that .shk + .bsc = .bsq. Perhaps one of us needs to read a README file. (I know I'm going to go take a look.) >-- >--- >Michael J Pender Jr Box 1942 c/o W.P.I. Part of this D- belongs to >greyelf@wpi.bitnet 100 Institute Rd. God... >greyelf@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester, Ma 01609 - B. Simpson Uh, your .signature was duplicated. Just so you know. :-) -- __ _____________ __ \ \_\ \__ __/ /_/ / "Here's one you shouldn't be able to answer: \greg@hoss.unl.edu/ What is the nature of the Universe?" \_\ \_\|_|/_/ /_/ --Dr. Crusher, "Remember Me"
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (11/02/90)
In article <1990Nov01.202314.24433@hoss.unl.edu> greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer T. H.) writes: >No wonder all my Kermit binary dl's were corrupted! I had several .bsq >files sitting around, taking up quota. Then got sciibin and extracted >them, thus reducing the space they were taking up. Then I find out I >can't get them downloaded in binary form. Are there any patches out for >ProTERM to fix this (or is the included text completely off base)? I guess I don't understand what you're having a problem with, but I sciibin EVERYTHING then download it with ProTERM from my UNIX account and it works fine.. I don't understand your problem then I guess. Possible problems that you didn't mention but could be problems: 1) If you're rlogging in from one place to another, use a "-8" to make sure you have an 8 bit connection.. Otherwise things get munged. 2) If you're getting things from FTP sites, make sure you use binary transfer. (type binary at a prompt) > "Here's one you shouldn't be able to answer: > What is the nature of the Universe?" > --Dr. Crusher, "Remember Me" I think that that, "Yesterday's Enterprise," and the one with Soong, Data, and Lore, are the best episodes so far! -- /Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP CDs\ \"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/
cbdougla@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Collin Broad Douglas) (11/02/90)
In article <1990Nov01.202314.24433@hoss.unl.edu> greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer T. H.) writes: >... <SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: > >>.Z files can be unpacked with ShrinkIt/GS. I know, I tried, it works. They >>MUST however be dl in binary with Kermit. ProTerm binary transfer with >>ProTerms Kermit emulation doesn't do 8-bit quoting (a silly oversight...). >>Thanks! > >No wonder all my Kermit binary dl's were corrupted! I had several .bsq >files sitting around, taking up quota. Then got sciibin and extracted >them, thus reducing the space they were taking up. Then I find out I >can't get them downloaded in binary form. Are there any patches out for >ProTERM to fix this (or is the included text completely off base)? >Kermit is the only method I've found on this system to get files off of >it. Oh well, I just continue doing it how I've been doing it... FTP files >from my account to a Mac and Xmodeming it to my system. > I use Zmodem from ProTERM with no problems. if you have 'sz' on your system try this: sz -b -l 256 -L 256 <filename> that work great for me and it several times faster than kermit (I hate kermit) Collin Douglas cbdougla@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
ifar355@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) (11/02/90)
In article <1990Nov01.202925.25136@hoss.unl.edu> greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer T. H.) writes: | |>The .bsq means it is a binary II squeezed file. Use blu or shrinkit to |>expand it back, after sending the file to your apple. | |Wha'? I thought it meant it was a BinSCII file (.bsc) that contained a |ShrinkIT file (.shk) in the sense that .shk + .bsc = .bsq. Perhaps one |of us needs to read a README file. (I know I'm going to go take a |look.) | |>--- |>Michael J Pender Jr Box 1942 c/o W.P.I. Part of this D- belongs to |>greyelf@wpi.bitnet 100 Institute Rd. God... |>greyelf@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester, Ma 01609 - B. Simpson |-- | __ _____________ __ | \ \_\ \__ __/ /_/ / "Here's one you shouldn't be able to answer: | \greg@hoss.unl.edu/ What is the nature of the Universe?" | \_\ \_\|_|/_/ /_/ --Dr. Crusher, "Remember Me" .bsq is indeed a binscii file that contains a ShrinkIt file. A binary II squeezed file has an extension of .bqy (.bny + .qq) Personally, I would have preferred .bsk for a Binscii'd Shrunk file, but I guess .bsq sounds pretty close :-) David Huang | "I didn't order any Internet: ifar355@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | pizzas, especially America Online: DrWho29 | green ones"
USERSIG@MTSG.UBC.CA (11/02/90)
There seems to be some confusion over this "eight bit quoting" business. If your system supports 8 bit, no parity communications, you don't need eight bit quoting. You only need that on systems where you must connect with 7 data bits (and usually even parity). In other words, its a way to send 8 bit data on a 7 bit connection. And if I'm wrong about this, I'll eat a bug. :) Les_Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca
UD169430@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Aos) (11/03/90)
In article <8430@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) says: > >In article <1990Nov01.202314.24433@hoss.unl.edu> greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer T. >H.) writes: >>No wonder all my Kermit binary dl's were corrupted! I had several .bsq >>files sitting around, taking up quota. Then got sciibin and extracted >>them, thus reducing the space they were taking up. Then I find out I >>can't get them downloaded in binary form. Are there any patches out for >>ProTERM to fix this (or is the included text completely off base)? > > I guess I don't understand what you're having a problem with, but >I sciibin EVERYTHING then download it with ProTERM from my UNIX account >and it works fine.. I don't understand your problem then I guess. I think his problem is that ProTerm doesn't handle binary kermit transfers correctly. That's why we're forced to use Kermit v3.87 (actually, it's really not such a bad program, and it seems to me it's faster than ProTERM or Kermit-65 v3.86 but perhaps that has to do with the way I have things set up.) > > Possible problems that you didn't mention but could be problems: > > 1) If you're rlogging in from one place to another, use a "-8" to >make sure you have an 8 bit connection.. Otherwise things get munged. > > 2) If you're getting things from FTP sites, make sure you use >binary transfer. (type binary at a prompt) > >-- >/Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP >CDs\ >\"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa >Simpson/ --- Mike Aos "I own a Harley, not just a T-shirt!" ['68 Sporty] East Grand Forks, MN (yeah, it's COLD up here) Are Amiga's really (218) 773-9154 | Woz | that bad? UD182050@NDSUVM1 (.Bitnet?) | Apple IIgs | "Share and Enjoy" UD182050@VM1.NoDak.Edu | (and Sun 2/120) | -Sirius Cybernetics Corporation I like to trade. | 'till I can afford a NeXT | (reserved for a Mac slam) "O captain! my Captain! our fearful trip is done, The ship has weather'd every rack, the prize we sought is won, The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting." _O Captain, My Captain_ -Walt Whitman
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (11/05/90)
In article <90306.153049UD169430@NDSUVM1.BITNET> UD169430@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Aos) writes: >I think his problem is that ProTerm doesn't handle binary kermit >transfers correctly. That's why we're forced to use Kermit v3.87 >(actually, it's really not such a bad program, and it seems to me it's >faster than ProTERM or Kermit-65 v3.86 but perhaps that has to do with >the way I have things set up.) But are you (and other people who insist on using Kermit) on systems that ONLY support Kermit? I think Ymodem batch is the best protocol I've used so far (haven't used Zmodem since I've heard you need a hard drive to be able to keep up with it).. I like Ymodem batch since you don't have to type filenames you are dealing with on the receiving end of the transmission. But even Xmodem is better than Kermit. Some explanation would be helpful for my understanding of the insistance of using Kermit when presumably better (and as widely used) protocols exist. -- /Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP CDs\ \"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/
UD169430@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Aos) (11/06/90)
In article <8526@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) says: > >In article <90306.153049UD169430@NDSUVM1.BITNET> UD169430@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Mike >Aos) writes: >>I think his problem is that ProTerm doesn't handle binary kermit >>transfers correctly. That's why we're forced to use Kermit v3.87 >>(actually, it's really not such a bad program, and it seems to me it's >>faster than ProTERM or Kermit-65 v3.86 but perhaps that has to do with >>the way I have things set up.) > > But are you (and other people who insist on using Kermit) on >systems that ONLY support Kermit? I think Ymodem batch is the best >protocol I've used so far (haven't used Zmodem since I've heard you need >a hard drive to be able to keep up with it).. I like Ymodem batch since >you don't have to type filenames you are dealing with on the receiving >end of the transmission. > But even Xmodem is better than Kermit. > > Some explanation would be helpful for my understanding of the >insistance of using Kermit when presumably better (and as widely used) >protocols exist. > >-- >/Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP >CDs\ >\"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa >Simpson/ I'm on a nifty old IBM system called CMS....and as far as I know, Kermit is the only protocal available. Kermit v3.87 gives me about 238 bytes/sec for ASCII transfers, and 130 bytes/sec for Binary transfers (at 2400 BPS), and it does do BATCH transfers very nicely. --- Mike Aos "I own a Harley, not just a T-shirt!" ['68 Sporty] East Grand Forks, MN (yeah, it's COLD up here) Are Amiga's really (218) 773-9154 | Woz | that bad? UD182050@NDSUVM1 (.Bitnet?) | Apple IIgs | "Share and Enjoy" UD182050@VM1.NoDak.Edu | (and Sun 2/120) | -Sirius Cybernetics Corporation I like to trade. | 'till I can afford a NeXT | (reserved for a Mac slam) "O captain! my Captain! our fearful trip is done, The ship has weather'd every rack, the prize we sought is won, The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting." _O Captain, My Captain_ -Walt Whitman
warren.e@pro-beagle.cts.com (Warren Ernst) (11/06/90)
In-Reply-To: message from unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU People (ok some of them) insist on using KERMIT because some VAX's (like all of them at UCSD) can't deal with Xmodem (or their so-called Umodem programs). I've tried a couple of versions of ProTERM, lots o' old stuff, and even our PointToPoint and Telecomm, and unless you got Kermit, you wont get what you need. 'nuf said Warren.e @pro-beagle
greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer T. H.) (11/08/90)
... unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > ... are you (... people who insist on using Kermit) on >systems that ONLY support Kermit? I think Ymodem batch is the best >protocol I've used so far (haven't used Zmodem since I've heard you need >a hard drive to be able to keep up with it).. I like Ymodem batch since >you don't have to type filenames you are dealing with on the receiving >end of the transmission. > But even Xmodem is better than Kermit. > Some explanation would be helpful for my understanding of the >insistance of using Kermit when presumably better (and as widely used) >protocols exist. Unfortunately Kermit is the only one I have available. Even the Xmodem and Ymodem on this system don't like my ProTERM. (Helpdesk can't help me, since their IIe is unenhanced.) Plus Kermit can handle the CPU delays on a multiuser system better than anything else I have tried. (Another system I have access to has Ymodem Batch, but likes to stop due to timeout errors. Now it doesn't like to work at all.) Oh well, I'll just keep FTPing the files to a Mac SE, then sending them to my home machine (or, more likely, to a local BBS where I'm a co-sysop, then to my home machine). >-- >/Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP CDs\ >\"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/ -- __ _____________ __ \ \_\ \__ __/ /_/ / Do you know what you have done? \greg@hoss.unl.edu/ Do you know what you've begun? \_\ \_\|_|/_/ /_/ --Genesis, _Domino_, _Invisible Touch_
avery@netcom.UUCP (Avery Colter) (11/21/90)
ifar355@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) writes: > Personally, I would have preferred .bsk for a Binscii'd Shrunk file, but > I guess .bsq sounds pretty close :-) I think I'm going to start calling these things "Bisquick Files". I hope this practice doesn't offend those pancake fanatics out there. :) -- Avery Ray Colter {apple|claris}!netcom!avery {decwrl|mips|sgi}!btr!elfcat (415) 839-4567 "I feel love has got to come on and I want it: Something big and lovely!" - The B-52s, "Channel Z"
greg@hoss.unl.edu (Hammer T. H.) (11/25/90)
In <17225@netcom.UUCP> avery@netcom.UUCP (Avery Colter) writes: >ifar355@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) writes: >> Personally, I would have preferred .bsk for a Binscii'd Shrunk file, but >> I guess .bsq sounds pretty close :-) >I think I'm going to start calling these things "Bisquick Files". >I hope this practice doesn't offend those pancake fanatics out there. :) Sure, why not. Seems that .bny files have been called "bunny" files, and I don't think that has offeneded any Play* readers. :-) >-- >Avery Ray Colter {apple|claris}!netcom!avery {decwrl|mips|sgi}!btr!elfcat >(415) 839-4567 "I feel love has got to come on and I want it: > Something big and lovely!" - The B-52s, "Channel Z" -- __ _____________ __ \ \_\ \__ __/ /_/ / "I'm working the Eight Minus Zero Shift..." \greg@hoss.unl.edu/ "Eight Minus Zero Shift?" \_\ \_\|_|/_/ /_/ "Yup, the Happiness Patrol."