nagendra@bucsf.bu.edu (nagendra mishr) (01/10/91)
I gotta problem maybe you guys know about. I am using what I think is 5.0.4, from a hard disk. When I try using the open filefrom some nda's, the file open window opens, and then hangs, as soon as I put in a 3.5 disk in the drive, it proceeds. Is this supposed to happen? or am I doing something wrong? Also what's the difference between 5.0.2 and 5.04 and why shouldn't I use 5.03? It seems I was perfectly happy with 5.0.2 and then 5.0.4 came around and now I think the nexus demo which came with my hard drive does not work. anyone? please reply to nagendra@bucsf.bu.edu thanks nagendra
nagendra@bucsf.bu.edu (nagendra mishr) (01/11/91)
another problem I was wondering if anyone else can confirm this, I'm trying to use TMLII from 5.04 and when I try compile to memory, it fails. Has anyone had this problem? nagendra@bucsf.bu.edu
JDA@CU.NIH.GOV ("Doug Ashbrook") (01/11/91)
> I was wondering if anyone else can confirm this, I'm trying to use TMLII > from 5.04 and when I try compile to memory, it fails. > Has anyone had this problem? > > nagendra@bucsf.bu.edu I think that there must be some other explanation. I have compiled to memory with TML II under GS/OS 5.0.4 and had no problems. ==================================================================== J. Douglas Ashbrook (301) 402-1248 INTERNET: JDA@CU.NIH.GOV BITNET: JDA@NIHCU National Institutes of Health, Computer Center, Bethesda, MD 20892
mcgu5464@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Mcguire) (01/11/91)
In article <9101101708.AA02622@alw.nih.gov> JDA@CU.NIH.GOV ("Doug Ashbrook") writes: >> I was wondering if anyone else can confirm this, I'm trying to use TMLII >> from 5.04 and when I try compile to memory, it fails. >> Has anyone had this problem? >> nagendra@bucsf.bu.edu >I think that there must be some other explanation. I have compiled >to memory with TML II under GS/OS 5.0.4 and had no problems. Personaly I happen to believe 5.04 IS the problem. My ROM 03 chokes on everything with 5.04 where with 5.03 it all ran fine, no crashes. Another example of a program that I cant get to run is the File Manager NDA. Yet a friend of mine runs it fine on his Rom 01 machine. I have 2 meg he only has 1.25 so memory is not my problem. I've dloaded copies from several sources and know that the copy is not the problem. Our systems were identical otherwise. Its just that 5.04 chokes A LOT. I hope Andy and Dave are reading this... :-) (Nothing personal) Soon I will get more mem on my GSRam+ and perhaps an accelerator and maybe an AST Video Card. I sure hope this all gets straightened out by then!!! Dan Gross
gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (01/11/91)
In article <8813@uwm.edu> mcgu5464@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Mcguire) writes: >Personaly I happen to believe 5.04 IS the problem. My ROM 03 chokes on >everything with 5.04 where with 5.03 it all ran fine, no crashes. Practically all system crashes I have had under any version of the GS system software (including 5.0.4) have been due to misbehaving desk accessories (NDAs mostly, but occasionally CDAs). So far as I can tell from the text-screen bootup display, Apple IIGS System Disk 5.0.4 uses all the same modules in GS/OS as in version 5.0.3, apart from the ImageWriter driver and perhaps some tools. The Finder is also the same..
MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET (01/11/91)
>> I was wondering if anyone else can confirm this, I'm trying to use TMLII >> from 5.04 and when I try compile to memory, it fails. >> Has anyone had this problem? >> >> nagendra@bucsf.bu.edu If 5.0.4 provides less free RAM than 5.0.3 did, that MIGHT be part of the problem. When running TML II under 5.0.3, you may have had XXXk RAM free, but with 5.0.4, you may have just a little less than you need to compile to memory. I can't confirm this because I don't have 5.0.4. but it's a thought ---------------------------------------- Michael J. Quinn University of Tennessee at Chattanooga BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm pro-line-- mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com
mcgu5464@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Mcguire) (01/11/91)
In article <14815@smoke.brl.mil> gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes: >In article <8813@uwm.edu> mcgu5464@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Mcguire) writes: >>Personaly I happen to believe 5.04 IS the problem. My ROM 03 chokes on >>everything with 5.04 where with 5.03 it all ran fine, no crashes. >Practically all system crashes I have had under any version of the GS >system software (including 5.0.4) have been due to misbehaving desk >accessories (NDAs mostly, but occasionally CDAs). So far as I can >tell from the text-screen bootup display, Apple IIGS System Disk 5.0.4 >uses all the same modules in GS/OS as in version 5.0.3, apart from the >ImageWriter driver and perhaps some tools. The Finder is also the same.. Well, I would agree with you, and writing software that must get along is a hell of a difficult task. Obviously _something_ has changed or it wouldn't work under one and not the other. Several of the tools, and some of the drivers were changed. Perhaps they were "moved" to where FileManager now sits, or the tools need more specifics now which FileManager doesn't supply. I can probably do without FileManager tho.. So its no *big* loss. I would appreciate it if someone had a P16 program that would read a text file (and appleworks3.0 if possible) from the icon much the way FinderView does... Just doubleclick the icon. It would provide a box the same as FileManager so you could view the entire file (unlike FinderView) and dump back to the desktop after. No editing required. If there isn't one, could someone write one? I would - but I'm a user, not a guru that actually knows how one of these things works. It seems pretty simple - all toolbox calls... Thanks, Dan
dzimmerman@gnh-tff.cts.com (Daniel Zimmerman) (01/12/91)
>> I have what I think is 5.04... You THINK it's 5.04? If you're not sure if it's 5.04 or not, go to your local Apple dealer or an online service like CompuServe, America Online, or my BBS listed below (I'm authorized to distribute it) and download something that is DEFINITELY 5.04. Also, you have to install it with the Installer - if you don't, many bad, possibly unexplainable things will happen because of files from mixed system software. >> What is the difference between 5.02 and 5.04.... There are many, many differences, too many to list here... There are toolbox fixes, a new tool call (in the Miscellaneous Tool Set), bug fixes in the OS, GS/OS version 3.03, version 1.1 of the Resource Manager (which is a must-get if you use programs like AppleWorks GS, which use lots of resources and can screw up a bit under Resource Manager 1.0 from 5.02 :), and many other fixes. Also new printer drivers, a vastly improved and accelerated ACE toolset, etc.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel M. Zimmerman InterNet - dzimmerman@gnh-tff.cts.com TFF Enterprises America Online - Surak TFF CompuServe - 76407,2246 "Learn reason above all. Learn clear thought; learn to know what is from what seems to be, and what you wish to be. This is the key to everything: the truth of reality, the reality of truth. What IS will set you free." - Surak Of Vulcan
llee@gnh-starport.cts.com (Larry Lee) (01/13/91)
" I gotta problem maybe you guys know about. I am using what I think is 5.0.4, from a hard disk. When I try using the open filefrom some nda's, the file open window opens, and then hangs, as soon as I put in a 3.5 disk in the drive, it proceeds. Is this supposed to happen? or am I doing something wrong? Also what's the difference between 5.0.2 and 5.04 and why shouldn't I use 5.03? It seems I was perfectly happy with 5.0.2 and then 5.0.4 came around and now I think the nexus demo which came with my hard drive does not work. " I experienced the same "problem" with the 3.5" drive that you have. Let me guess, you're using an AMR 3.5"? I've used the Apple 3.5, AE 3.5, and the AMR 3.5, and the AMR is the one with problems. (Well, the AE drive is too noisy, but that's besides the point) The problem is that empty 3.5" drives (for the Apples), when polled by GS/OS, SHOULD be able to report that there is no disk in and allow the poll to go to the next drive. The AMR drive, however, when polled from the OPEN command, will NOT report an "empty drive" and will put your system on hold until you do stick in a disk. There's nothing wrong with your system, just your drive.\ I think that this is a rather strange problem, as the drive does report itself as "empty" when I go into the Finder (ie. system doesn't hang). The only solution I know is to keep a disk in the trouble drive all the time. I hope you understood that! :) | ProLine.: llee@gnh-starport | The other day a dog peed on me. | | UUCP....: crash!gnh-starport!llee | A bad sign. | | InterNet: llee@gnh-starport.cts.com | | | AO .....: Shirley you can't be serious! | - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) |
llee@gnh-starport.cts.com (Larry Lee) (01/13/91)
I tried TML (Pascal) II to compile to memory on System 5.0.4 as well, and it works. What's your setup? | ProLine.: llee@gnh-starport | Millions long for immortality who | | UUCP....: crash!gnh-starport!llee | don't know what to do on a rainy | | InterNet: llee@gnh-starport.cts.com | Sunday afternoon. | | AO .....: Watch this space! | -- Susan Ertz |
llee@gnh-starport.cts.com (Larry Lee) (01/13/91)
I have a ROM 03 myself, but I couldn't get file manager 1.1 to work even on system 5.0.3. I don't know what the problem is, but when I call up the DA, all I get are the inverse question marks instead of the operation icons. Another interestingly buggy DA (for me) is Keycaps 2.2. I can call it up fine, but then the Apple menu just disappears! %) | ProLine.: llee@gnh-starport | Millions long for immortality who | | UUCP....: crash!gnh-starport!llee | don't know what to do on a rainy | | InterNet: llee@gnh-starport.cts.com | Sunday afternoon. | | AO .....: Watch this space! | -- Susan Ertz |
MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET (01/14/91)
On Sun, 13 Jan 91 00:53:04 CST Larry Lee said: >I have a ROM 03 myself, but I couldn't get file manager 1.1 to work even on >system 5.0.3. > >I don't know what the problem is, but when I call up the DA, all I get are the >inverse question marks instead of the operation icons. Another interestingly Jeff HartKopf has fixed that problem in a new version (1.11). I can e-mail it to you if you like. >| ProLine.: llee@gnh-starport | Millions long for immortality who | >| UUCP....: crash!gnh-starport!llee | don't know what to do on a rainy | >| InterNet: llee@gnh-starport.cts.com | Sunday afternoon. | >| AO .....: Watch this space! | -- Susan Ertz | ---------------------------------------- Michael J. Quinn University of Tennessee at Chattanooga BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm pro-line-- mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com
dzimmerman@gnh-tff.cts.com (Daniel Zimmerman) (01/14/91)
>> My ROM 03 chokes when using 5.04..... (etc...) when it didn't with 5.03
The only possible explanation is that you didn't use the Installer to install
5.04 (or you used the 5.03 System Tools disk to install the 5.04 System Disk).
All of the GS/OS files are identical from 5.03 to 5.04 - the changes to 5.04
were just bug fixes in printer drivers, QuickDraw II Auxiliary, and something
else (don't recall right now...) - Make sure you have both the System Disk and
System Tools 5.04 and use the Installer to install it.
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of reality, the reality of truth. What IS will set you free."
- Surak Of Vulcanllee@gnh-starport.cts.com (Larry Lee) (01/19/91)
" Jeff HartKopf has fixed that problem in a new version (1.11). I can e-mail it to you if you like. " re: File Manager could you send me a copy? I'd appreciate it. However, I would like to know if it's going to be BINSCII'd or not, since I don't have any experience in that area. | ProLine.: llee@gnh-starport | Millions long for immortality who | | UUCP....: crash!gnh-starport!llee | don't know what to do on a rainy | | InterNet: llee@gnh-starport.cts.com | Sunday afternoon. | | AO .....: Watch this space! | -- Susan Ertz |