unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu (The Unknown User) (01/25/91)
Is curses close to being done on the GS? There's a game I really like on UNIX... Ularn, an updated Larn game.. In my opinion, the best of the D&D type games on UNIX... I'd really like to port it, and there was talk about curses being ported to the GS. Am I correct in saying that after curses is ported, it's basically just a job of getting source code and compiling it?! (I hope to eventually make it a graphics game.. These kinds of games would work great as 'tile' games). -- /Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP CDs\ \WRITE TO ORIGIN ABOUT ULTIMA VI //e and IIGS! Mail me for addresses, & info. /
fadden@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Andy McFadden) (01/28/91)
In article <11546@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu (The Unknown User) writes: > Is curses close to being done on the GS? "ncurses", if I'm not mistaken, is an almost machine-independent implementation of curses (you have to fill in the machine-dependent parts). A library called "pccurses", made from ncurses, came across the net a year or two ago (check alt.sources or comp.sources.misc archives). > Am I correct in saying that after curses is ported, it's basically >just a job of getting source code and compiling it?! Something like that. Keep in mind the 64K bank limits... do a dumpobj (with appropriate options) on MoriaGS for the bad news. You'd better have a ton of memory to get it to link, too... NuLib comes very close to not making it on a 1.25MB system, and it's only 7000 lines long. >/Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP CDs\ -- fadden@cory.berkeley.edu (Andy McFadden) ..!ucbvax!cory!fadden fadden@hermes.berkeley.edu (when cory throws up)
herwin@pro-novapple.cts.com (Harry Erwin) (01/28/91)
In-Reply-To: message from unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu I have been working on writing a GS version of curses. I'd like to simply port it, but it turns out that you have to write interface routines to the console driver, instead. Still, source code would help a lot -- all I have is the header files. Also, I've found that using the console driver is more than a little convoluted... Harry Harry Erwin -->Remember, no good deed goes unpunished... proline:pro-novapple!herwin uucp: crash!pro-novapple!herwin arpa: crash!pro-novapple!herwin@nosc.mil Telenet: herwin/trw Internet: herwin@pro-novapple.cts.com alternate Internet: /PN=Harry.Erwin/O=TRW/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
herwin@pro-novapple.cts.com (Harry Erwin) (01/29/91)
In-Reply-To: message from fadden@cory.Berkeley.EDU If someone can tell me where to find ncurses, I'd be much obliged. I have 2.25 MB on my IIGS, so I could compile and make a library of it on my own system and then upload it for interested users. HRE Harry Erwin -->Remember, no good deed goes unpunished... proline:pro-novapple!herwin uucp: crash!pro-novapple!herwin arpa: crash!pro-novapple!herwin@nosc.mil Telenet: herwin/trw Internet: herwin@pro-novapple.cts.com alternate Internet: /PN=Harry.Erwin/O=TRW/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
taob@pnet91.cts.com (Brian Tao) (01/31/91)
From herwin@pro-novapple.cts.com (Harry Erwin):
> I have been working on writing a GS version of curses.
For us non-UNIX types, could you tell us what exactly is "curses"???
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Scarberia, ON, MIC 3A8 *B-) || before you did. (Alvin Toffler)unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (01/31/91)
In article <430@generic.UUCP> taob@pnet91.cts.com (Brian Tao) writes: >From herwin@pro-novapple.cts.com (Harry Erwin): >> I have been working on writing a GS version of curses. > For us non-UNIX types, could you tell us what exactly is "curses"??? You non-UNIX people, get WITH it! Get a UNIX account somewhere! It's great! To not be too snotty, I actually really really like UNIX. I keep learning more and more about it.. You can use shell scripts to create "new" commands by using the many sophisticated current commands, and there's just lots of other darn neat stuff about it. These things can probably be said about other systems, but I'm not sure.. Now that I rave about UNIX, I'm probably going to give an incorrect description of curses.. From my understanding, curses is a set of routines that can be used in programs independent of terminal emulation. On UNIX, I would presume they look in an 'environment variable' (logically called "term"), and then look up the terminal characteristics. For example, in your program you could possibly say something like "go up one character," and curses 'knows' which termtype you're using and sends out the correct character to do this. You may think that porting this to the GS wouldn't be that useful as everyone uses the same "termtype," either the text screen or the desktop (with which I doubt curses could be used)... But with curses on the GS you can then easily port games and other programs written on UNIX and not have to worry about manually converting all of the curses crap. -- /Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP CDs\ \WRITE TO ORIGIN ABOUT ULTIMA VI //e and IIGS! Mail me for addresses, & info. /
daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) (01/31/91)
In article <430@generic.UUCP> taob@pnet91.cts.com (Brian Tao) writes: >From herwin@pro-novapple.cts.com (Harry Erwin): > >> I have been working on writing a GS version of curses. > > For us non-UNIX types, could you tell us what exactly is "curses"??? Curses is a generic terminal driver type of thing. It finds out what terminal you have and will send the right commands to the terminal, so your program can be terminal-independent. So, if you want to clear the screen, just tell curses that and it'll do it for you. I think the main reason for porting this to the GS is so that C progs can be ported without much modification, right? After all, there is only one kind of terminal hooked up to a GS :-) BTW, what does curses stand for? >Brian T. Tao {taob@pnet91.cts.com} || Computer guru? Someone who got >University of Metro Toronto || their computer a couple of weeks >Scarberia, ON, MIC 3A8 *B-) || before you did. (Alvin Toffler) -- David Huang | Internet: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | "My ganglion is stuck in UUCP: ...!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!daveh | a piece of chewing gum!" America Online: DrWho29 |
taob@pnet91.cts.com (Brian Tao) (02/01/91)
From unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User): > You non-UNIX people, get WITH it! Get a UNIX account somewhere! > It's great! To not be too snotty, I actually really really like UNIX. Well, I _do_ have a UNIX account of sorts with the university. I dropped Algebra earlier this year and replaced it with a first-year CompSci course. We are automatically dumped into the "LUNIX shell" via an 'lsh' command. It's called "Learner's UNIX" (or "Lobotomized UNIX") since anything outside of about 15 basic commands will give you a "command not executed" error. At least I get ftp access from LUNIX... Thanks for the brief info on curses, I think I know what you're getting at. Some sort of universal translator for terminal screen codes? Brian T. Tao {taob@pnet91.cts.com} || Computer guru? Someone who got University of Metro Toronto || their computer a couple of weeks Scarberia, ON, MIC 3A8 *B-) || before you did. (Alvin Toffler)
zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) (02/03/91)
In article <43488@ut-emx.uucp> daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) writes: >BTW, what does curses stand for? Maybe the writer of the library was so annoyed at how everything was implemented, he sweared a lot. -- zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM
greg@hoss.unl.edu (Lig Lury Jr.) (02/09/91)
... daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) writes: >Curses is a generic terminal driver type of thing. It finds out what terminal >you have and will send the right commands to the terminal, so your program >can be terminal-independent. So, if you want to clear the screen, just tell >curses that and it'll do it for you. I think the main reason for porting this >to the GS is so that C progs can be ported without much modification, right? >After all, there is only one kind of terminal hooked up to a GS :-) Well, it may be useful for someone trying to write a BBS, and would like to easily encode emulations for the remote user, while translating what they see to the console screen. >BTW, what does curses stand for? Oh, the usual profanities. >-- >David Huang | >Internet: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | "My ganglion is stuck in >UUCP: ...!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!daveh | a piece of chewing gum!" >America Online: DrWho29 | -- /// ____ \\\ "So, here we are, lying dead..." "Standing..." | |/ / \ \| | Lig Lury Jr. "...standing dead in this..." "Restaurant..." \\_( \==/ )_// "...in this desolate..." "Five star restaurant..." \__\\/ greg@hoss.unl.edu -- Zaphod, Arthur, and Trillian