luddite@dorsai.com (Martin Luddite) (02/16/91)
I'm an ex-Apple2 person, just getting back into the Apple II scene
after a few years of absense. For the past few years, I've been
in the Mac & Unix world. I still have my Apple IIc and I'm
trying to find a use for it. I remember that I loved using my IIc,
and that the software was especially productive for what others have
called an old and obsolete machine. I remember getting plenty of
work done in AppleWorks and Proterm was just fine for all my tele-
computing needs.
Since I've been out of the Apple 2 scene for a while, I have
a few questions that will help me catch up. I'd appreaciate any
help from people on the net.
1) What is the latest version of AppleWorks (nonGS)?
2) What is the latest version of Proterm (nonGS)?
3) Are there any utility/archive programs that I should have?
I have Shrinkit but it's version 0.92 or something like that.
4) Are there any viruses in the Apple II world?
And, if so, what are they (how many are there)?
(I hear that the PC world has like 300 viruses. That's insane.)
And, if so, what utilities should I get to protect myself?
5) I'd like to upgrade my IIc, what is the best way to do it?
I'm thinking of getting a Zip Chip in order to speed up
AppleWorks, what's the current top-of-the-line ZipChip?
I know they have a 4mhz chip, someone told me they were
up to 8mhz, what is their current top speed for 8-bit ZipChips?
I guess that's about it for the questions. One of the reasons I'm
getting back into Apple II is because of the Mac LC and the announced
support for Apple II 8-bit software. I always loved 8-bit Apples,
the graphics and sound on the GS never impressed me much, I feel
sorry for any GS owners because Apple chose to support 8-bit software
for it's Mac line, but 8-bit software (text-only) was just as
productive as any GUI-based software running on GS's, even at 8mhz.
Hopefully, someone will come out with a Mac card for the GS thats
compatible with Mac+/SE/Classic machines. I know the Amiga and
Atari ST already have such cards, I don't see why the GS doesn't
have one. If anything, it would be easier for Apple to produce one
because there would be no copyright/ROM problems, since Apple owns
the rights to the ROMs anyway. Atari and Amiga people have to
resort to insane acts in order to get the ROMs. Many otherwise
ligitimate and honset Amiga/Atari users have to resort to piracy in
order to use their emulators.
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Martin C. Luddite
Internet: luddite@dorsai.com
------------------------------------------------------taob@pnet91.cts.com (Brian Tao) (02/17/91)
From luddite@dorsai.com (Martin Luddite): > 1) What is the latest version of AppleWorks (nonGS)? > 2) What is the latest version of Proterm (nonGS)? > 3) Are there any utility/archive programs that I should have? > I have Shrinkit but it's version 0.92 or something like that. > 4) Are there any viruses in the Apple II world? > And, if so, what are they (how many are there)? > (I hear that the PC world has like 300 viruses. That's insane.) > And, if so, what utilities should I get to protect myself? > 5) I'd like to upgrade my IIc, what is the best way to do it? > I'm thinking of getting a Zip Chip in order to speed up > AppleWorks, what's the current top-of-the-line ZipChip? > I know they have a 4mhz chip, someone told me they were > up to 8mhz, what is their current top speed for 8-bit ZipChips? Latest versions: AppleWorks 3.0, ProTerm 2.2 (3.0 should be coming soon), ShrinkIt 3.2 (wow, you have version 0.92!!!). There ARE Apple II viruses, but compared to the epidemic in the PC and Mac worlds, they might as well not even exist. I think there are a grand total of maybe a half dozen Apple II viruses that have done significant damage, none of them in recent memory. The fastest Zip Chip runs at 8 MHz. It's a nice addition to your system. You might also consider plugging in more RAM. Both AppleWorks and ProTerm will take advantage of it. Brian T. Tao *B-) | taob@pnet91.cts.com | "Though this be U of Metro Toronto | - or - | madness, yet there Scarberia, ON | t569taob@bluffs.scar.utoronto.ca | is method in 't."
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (02/27/91)
In article <910226.03250240.060828@SFA.CP6> SMILLS@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (SCOTT MILLS) writes: >2) Is there such a beast as an ethernet card for a //GS. This is going to be more of a question on my part rather than any help for you.. But at your work or wherever you're connected to Ethernet, you have an Ethernet card for EACH Mac/PC/whatever? I probably have misunderstood something, but I thought that you can get a box which converts from Appletalk -> Ethernet and thus you can connect a whole bunch of Macs (AND GSes) to Ethernet which would save a lot of money over buying a separate card and cabling for each computer. Someone please enlighten me.. -- /Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP CDs\ \WRITE TO ORIGIN ABOUT ULTIMA VI //e and IIGS! Mail me for addresses, & info. /
toddpw@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) (02/27/91)
SMILLS@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (SCOTT MILLS) writes: >1) We have our Localtalk network connected to out ethernet backbone > via SHIVA fastpaths. Is there a version of Telnet or a similar > //GS software that will allow me to take advantage of this? Not yet, but I (among others) are looking into it. I have other projects I have to do first but I may be releasing a hacked TFTP for the GS within a reasonable amount of time. >2) Is there such a beast as an ethernet card for a //GS. Not that I know of. It is theoretically possible to use a SCSI-based ethernet interface with a GS SCSI card, but driver software would have to be written. I don't have the money to buy such an interface right now, if I did I would be looking into it more seriously. If one of the SCSI-ethernet vendors gives out the programmers' notes to their product then it should be possible. Modifying the Appletalk protocols to use it would not be too hard because of the fairly intelligent and reasonably documented way the IIgs AppleTalk protocols are called. >3) I have recently been playing around with TOPS for both the > MAC and MeSsyDOS. Does a version exist for the GS? Nope. Todd Whitesel toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
knauer@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Robert Knauerhase) (02/27/91)
In <12845@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >In article <910226.03250240.060828@SFA.CP6> SMILLS@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (SCOTT MILLS) writes: > But at your work or wherever you're connected to Ethernet, you have >an Ethernet card for EACH Mac/PC/whatever? I probably have misunderstood >something, but I thought that you can get a box which converts from >Appletalk -> Ethernet and thus you can connect a whole bunch of Macs >(AND GSes) to Ethernet which would save a lot of money over buying a >separate card and cabling for each computer. Yes and no. There are two major Appletalk-Ethernet translators, the Cayman Systems Gatorbox and the Kinetics (Shiva, Novell, they've been bought & sold a bit) Fastpath. Both these boxes translate packets. The Gatorbox (which I'm more familiar with) will encapsulate Appletalk in IP so you can connect two Appletalks over intervening TCP/IP networks. Software exists to let you print through the box (both ways) and mount Unix NFS filesystems. The drawbacks are that they're expensive (the Gatorbox has an 8MHz 68000 and 1 MB Ram -- i.e. more horsepower than a Plus or Classic :) and Appletalk is slow (238Kb/s as opposed to 1, 10, or more Mb/s). They would, however, be the perfect solution in the case of labs of GS's... Several people have put GS's behind them but no one has yet (correct me if I'm mistaken Todd :) spent time to write anything significant for the GS to take advantage of net services. Problems are that not everyone has a box, and not everyone has Appletalk in the dorms (Caltech and CMU only, I believe?). We had to liberate a Gatorbox from the ACM office and play in the computer lab the night we did our limited tests. Rob Knauerhase -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Robert C. Knauerhase "Since the day the Apple III (RIP) was introduced U of Ill @ Urbana-Champaign in 1980, the 'experts' have been saying the Apple Dept. of Computer Science II is a dead machine. If the Apple III couldn't knauer@cs.uiuc.edu kill it, the Lisa (RIP) or the PC Jr. (RIP) or the rck@ces.cwru.edu 128K Mac (RIP) would. Some people never learn."
jh4o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeffrey T. Hutzelman) (02/28/91)
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > In article <910226.03250240.060828@SFA.CP6> SMILLS@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (SCOTT MILLS) wr\ > ites: > >2) Is there such a beast as an ethernet card for a //GS. > > This is going to be more of a question on my part rather than any > help for you.. > > But at your work or wherever you're connected to Ethernet, you have > an Ethernet card for EACH Mac/PC/whatever? I probably have misunderstood > something, but I thought that you can get a box which converts from > Appletalk -> Ethernet and thus you can connect a whole bunch of Macs > (AND GSes) to Ethernet which would save a lot of money over buying a > separate card and cabling for each computer. > > Someone please enlighten me.. > > -- > /Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP CDs\ > \WRITE TO ORIGIN ABOUT ULTIMA VI //e and IIGS! Mail me for addresses, & info. / Both situations are possible. Here at CMU, some clusters have a StarController which has several branches of machines hanging off of it, and the StarController is connected to the backbone by a FastPath. One cluster, however, has about 5 or 6 Mac IIcx's with ethernet cards in each machine, and these machines are on an ethernet that is connected to the backbone in some manner; I forget exactly how. The advantage of buying an ethernet card for each Mac is that ethernet is considerably faster than Appletalk, and the cabling's MUCH cheaper (A PhoneNet adapter costs as much as $6!!!). -------------------- Jeffrey Hutzelman America Online: JeffreyH11 Internet: jh4o+@andrew.cmu.edu BITNET: JHUTZ@DRYCAS >> Apple // Forever!!! <<
anarch@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (The Anarch) (03/01/91)
In article <1991Feb27.045401.29033@m.cs.uiuc.edu> knauer@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Robert Knauerhase) writes: >Several people have put GS's behind them but no one has yet (correct me if >I'm mistaken Todd :) spent time to write anything significant for the GS to >take advantage of net services. Problems are that not everyone has a box, >and not everyone has Appletalk in the dorms (Caltech and CMU only, I believe?). >We had to liberate a Gatorbox from the ACM office and play in the computer lab >the night we did our limited tests. > >Rob Knauerhase Not the only ones! We have it here, too. I'd like to try writing "something significant" for the GS, but I don't have a monitor right now :( It will have to wait until I can get one. Also until I finish my three Mac projects. Sorry!