[comp.sys.apple2] Uploading to UNIX systems

yk4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) (03/06/91)

Has anyone out there had success in uploading large files onto UNIX
systems using ymodem batch, zmodem, xmodem using ProTerm?

I can upload using Kermit, but when I try to upload anything using the
above protoccols, I get an Ack Timeout error in ProTerm.  I can
download without any problems.

Could it have something to do with the terminal settings on the Suns?
The terminal is configured in the following way:
$ stty -a
speed 9600 baud, 24 rows, 80 columns
parenb -parodd cs7 -cstopb -hupcl cread clocal -crtscts
-ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc
ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel
isig iexten icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop
echoctl -echoprt echoke
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
erase  kill   werase rprnt  flush  lnext  susp   intr   quit   stop   eof
^?     ^U     ^W     ^R     ^O     ^V     ^Z/^Y  ^C     ^\     ^S/^Q  ^D

Are there particular settings to get Zmodem and Ymodem Batch to work
properly?  It might have something to do with the ROLM system data
switch, but the only thing we can change is the parity checking.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) (03/06/91)

In article <1991Mar6.053412.22781@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> yk4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) writes:
>Has anyone out there had success in uploading large files onto UNIX
>systems using ymodem batch, zmodem, xmodem using ProTerm?
>
>I can upload using Kermit, but when I try to upload anything using the
>above protoccols, I get an Ack Timeout error in ProTerm.  I can
>download without any problems.

I have problems uploading to Unix systems with x,y and zmodem too...
Downloading works well, but whenever I upload, some bytes always get
scrambled for some inexplicable reason... Maybe the rz program was
written for some weird IBM version of Zmodem or something?

It's really a pain to have to use slow Kermit for uploading...

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beh@.mit.edu (Bruce E. Howells) (03/07/91)

In article <1991Mar6.053412.22781@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> yk4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) writes:
>Has anyone out there had success in uploading large files onto UNIX
>systems using ymodem batch, zmodem, xmodem using ProTerm?
>
>I can upload using Kermit, but when I try to upload anything using the
>above protoccols, I get an Ack Timeout error in ProTerm.  I can
>download without any problems.
>
>Could it have something to do with the terminal settings on the Suns?
>The terminal is configured in the following way:
>$ stty -a

> lots of nasty stty output deleted...


Kermit was specifically designed to handle all sorts of adverse
communications situations - x/y/zmodem, on the other hand, were
designed with other goals in mind.

Therefore, it's not suprising that you've found Kermit to be
successful, where others are failing.


Unfortunately, from there, it's pretty much a local issue.  At Boston
University, there was a question of which bank of dialups you came in
on - one would allow x/y/z, the other wouldn't.

Questions to ask the local person-who-knows-their-stuff:

Is the dialup path 7 or 8 bits?  If you're only getting a 7 bit path
(0-127), you're stuck with kermit.

Are characters eaten along the way?  If you lose some control
characters, I believe z allows control-character quoting, but I'm not
sure.  Cisco boxes get quite upset at control-^, for example.

Is my path into the machine 8 bits?  telnet usually is, rlogin usually
isn't.  Not something you usually think of, but when you get down to
"how are the bits getting through the wire" - it's stuff you have to
know.

Hope this helps - if you need more info, email me.

Bruce Howells,  beh@pogo.ai.mit.edu   (formerly beh@bu.edu)
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unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (03/08/91)

>Kermit was specifically designed to handle all sorts of adverse
>communications situations - x/y/zmodem, on the other hand, were
>designed with other goals in mind.

	And is slow as molasses!

>Is my path into the machine 8 bits?  telnet usually is, rlogin usually
>isn't.  Not something you usually think of, but when you get down to
>"how are the bits getting through the wire" - it's stuff you have to
>know.

	You can force rlogin to be an 8 bit connection.. I presume that 
downloading is one of the reasons this was added, but I'm not sure.

	As in:

rlogin wherever -8

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greg@hoss.unl.edu (Lig Lury Jr.) (03/10/91)

... beh@.mit.edu (Bruce E. Howells) writes:
>... yk4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) writes:

>>Has anyone out there had success in uploading large files onto UNIX
>>systems using ymodem batch, zmodem, xmodem using ProTerm?
>>
>>I can upload using Kermit, but when I try to upload anything using the
>>above protoccols, I get an Ack Timeout error in ProTerm.  I can
>>download without any problems.

>Are characters eaten along the way?  If you lose some control
>characters, I believe z allows control-character quoting, but I'm not
>sure.  Cisco boxes get quite upset at control-^, for example.

Unfortunately, ProTERM's Zmodem apparently does not support control
character quoting.  This is from my own use of trying to upload several
ASCII files.  It would send the filename and hang.  Switching to
non-quoted worked some but not all the time... some files I ended up
having to ASCII Send.

The boxes here are susceptable to control-S and control-Q as well.  Plays
havoc with transfers.

>Bruce Howells,  beh@pogo.ai.mit.edu   (formerly beh@bu.edu)
>  ** do not use R or auto-reply unless you like bounce-mail...

Yeah, with an address like beh@.mit.edu, that is to be expected.  However,
the term "rubber-mail" flows much better, or bounced mail.

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