unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (03/09/91)
In article <45329@ut-emx.uucp> daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) writes: >Check the GS/OS Technote #1, it lists which files are needed to boot >and which aren't... it also depends on what the program you're running >needs. If it doesn't use fonts, you don't need the Fonts directory. If Oh COMON. Isn't that a bit MUCH? Besides, isn't ANYTHING that uses the GUI going to need fonts? Or is the 'standard' font the Finder uses built in? (doubtful, as it's be inconsistent with keeping everything in directories) >it doesn't need tools (rather unlikely though), you can trash the >Tools directory. You should keep everything in the System.Setup >directory, the CDevs and Desk.Accs directories are nice to have >around, but if you're really cramped for disk space, you can get rid >of them too. Lessee... You need the ProDOS file in the volume I get rid of the CDEVS and the Control Panel desk accessory first thing.. The most "useless" thing on the System Disk, I'd say. Sure, I hope we eventually get enough CDEVs and such like the Macs have, and when I get my harddrive back, I'll leave the CDEVs in, but on a floppy based system it's pointless. >>>[I screwed up the attributions] >>[I said the doubly quoted stuff] >>>2. What is Expressload? >> It is an ingenious method by which file running is made much faster, >>up to orders of magnitude faster. >It doesn't make file running faster, just file loading (that's why >it's ExpressLoad, not ExpressRun :-) Load, run, tomayto, tomahto.. Yeahyeah, I realize I'm technically using the word incorrectly, but I think of "running" a program as loading an executing it... and Expressload makes the loading faster.. (I guess I'm thinking about "RUN" and "BRUN" from DOS 3.3, which load and execute files) -- <unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! CHEAP CD INFO-mail me BETTER .sig?>
phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker) (03/11/91)
In article <13219@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > > In article <45329@ut-emx.uucp> daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) writes: >>Check the GS/OS Technote #1, it lists which files are needed to boot >>and which aren't... it also depends on what the program you're running >>needs. If it doesn't use fonts, you don't need the Fonts directory. If > > Oh COMON. Isn't that a bit MUCH? Besides, isn't ANYTHING that uses the > GUI going to need fonts? Or is the 'standard' font the Finder uses built in? > (doubtful, as it's be inconsistent with keeping everything in directories) Yes - the system font is built into ROM, there is an advantage as this is needed by a number of programs and somebody is likely to delete it from their disk. But it is a good idea to leave Fastfont in the fonts directory (from memory it does the same job faster, but this is probably not quite correct). >>it doesn't need tools (rather unlikely though), you can trash the >>Tools directory. You should keep everything in the System.Setup >>directory, the CDevs and Desk.Accs directories are nice to have >>around, but if you're really cramped for disk space, you can get rid >>of them too. Lessee... You need the ProDOS file in the volume > > I get rid of the CDEVS and the Control Panel desk accessory first > thing.. The most "useless" thing on the System Disk, I'd say. Sure, I hope > we eventually get enough CDEVs and such like the Macs have, and when I get > my harddrive back, I'll leave the CDEVs in, but on a floppy based system > it's pointless. There is one disadvantage - you lose the ability to set the cache and printer support if you delete these CDEVS. Before I got my hard disk working I had some fairly minimal 3.5's set up but I always included the Control panel and these two CDEVs. -- Stephen Harker phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au Monash University
jordan@hpfcdj.HP.COM (Steve J. Jordan) (03/13/91)
Is Expressload always going or do I have to initiate it somehow? Isn't there a key you type while GS/OS is loading?
aford@pro-mansion.cts.com (Adam Ford) (03/14/91)
In-Reply-To: message from unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU >Expressload makes the loading faster.. (I guess I'm thinking about >"RUN" and "BRUN" from DOS 3.3, which load and execute files) GS/OS doesn't access DOS 3.3 (unless you have FSTs, which I am not sure if they even exist. GS/OS also doesn't access BIN programs either even if they are on a PRODOS disk. The Expressload loads files like AppleWorks GS. Most of what Expressload does is S16 files. ---- ProLine: aford@pro-mansion Internet: aford@pro-mansion UUCP: crash!pro-mansion!aford ARPA: crash!pro-mansion!aford@nosc.mil BitNet: aford%pro-mansion.cts.com@nosc.mil
toddpw@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) (03/15/91)
jordan@hpfcdj.HP.COM (Steve J. Jordan) writes: >Is Expressload always going or do I have to initiate it somehow? >Isn't there a key you type while GS/OS is loading? Nah, the keys is just to get a cute little logo in the 'Welcome' box. Expressload is loaded if you have (i think) more than 512K, and it gets first crack at any OMF executable (this includes ALL GS specific program files like S16's, EXE, tools, inits, DA's, drivers, etc., except Cdevs which use code resources). If the file has been expressed (there are utilities for developers that will express a loadable program, and linkers that will generate a loadable program that is already expressed) then Expressload can load parts of the file by hopping to them directly instead of scanning the file sequentially like the normal system loader does. If the file isn't expressed or Expressload isn't in memory, then the normal system loader (whose earlier versions were called "the loader from hell" -- try booting any of the old games or programs like deluxepaint II from floppy and you'll see what I mean) processes the file. The normal system loader searches for segments in the program file by scanning the file from the beginning -- Expressload relies on a 'directory' that tells it where in the file each segment starts. Expressload calls the system loader for a lot of things that the system loader does adequately, and its major purpose is as a performance hack. Todd Whitesel toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (03/15/91)
In article <7994@crash.cts.com> aford@pro-mansion.cts.com (Adam Ford) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU >>Expressload makes the loading faster.. (I guess I'm thinking about >>"RUN" and "BRUN" from DOS 3.3, which load and execute files) >GS/OS doesn't access DOS 3.3 (unless you have FSTs, which I am not sure if >they even exist. I know, I was referring to something you must not have understood. I was referring to someone who else complained aobut my using of "running" versus "loading". -- <unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! CHEAP CD INFO-mail me BETTER .sig?>
marks@pro-shop.cts.com (System Administrator) (03/17/91)
In-Reply-To: message from jordan@hpfcdj.HP.COM >Is Expressload always going or do I have to initiate it somehow? >Isn't there a key you type while GS/OS is loading? If you hold down the 'open apple,option,control' key combination when you initiate a startup to the finder, the Expressload graphic will appear under the thermometer bar. I am not sure you are getting any Expressload benefits though. (faster load, etc...) I believe you need the proper codes to be present in the program to take advantage of Expressload. -- Mark ---- ProLine: marks@pro-shop UUCP: crash!pro-shop!marks Internet: marks@pro-shop.cts.com DARPA: crash!pro-shop!marks@nosc.mil
MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET (03/20/91)
On Sat, 16 Mar 91 17:16:06 GMT System Administrator said: >In-Reply-To: message from jordan@hpfcdj.HP.COM > >>Is Expressload always going or do I have to initiate it somehow? >>Isn't there a key you type while GS/OS is loading? > >If you hold down the 'open apple,option,control' key combination when you >initiate a startup to the finder, the Expressload graphic will appear under >the thermometer bar. I am not sure you are getting any Expressload benefits >though. (faster load, etc...) I believe you need the proper codes to be >present in the program to take advantage of Expressload. You don't have to hold down the control key... just the open-apple & option keys (or, hold down both joystick buttons). It doesn't do anything, other than display a nifty little 'Expressload' thingy. For a file to take advantage of expressload, it must have an expressload header. >-- Mark >---- >ProLine: marks@pro-shop UUCP: crash!pro-shop!marks >Internet: marks@pro-shop.cts.com DARPA: crash!pro-shop!marks@nosc.mil ---------------------------------------- Michael J. Quinn University of Tennessee at Chattanooga BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm <------------send files here pro-line-- mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com
daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) (03/20/91)
In article <8046@crash.cts.com> marks@pro-shop.cts.com (System Administrator) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from jordan@hpfcdj.HP.COM > >>Is Expressload always going or do I have to initiate it somehow? >>Isn't there a key you type while GS/OS is loading? > >If you hold down the 'open apple,option,control' key combination when you >initiate a startup to the finder, the Expressload graphic will appear under >the thermometer bar. I am not sure you are getting any Expressload benefits >though. (faster load, etc...) I believe you need the proper codes to be >present in the program to take advantage of Expressload. Holding down OA-Option (no Control needed) shows the nice ExpressLoad in the welcome box, but that's all. ExpressLoad is automatically loaded if you have 768K or more memory. A program has to have a special ExpressLoad header for it to be loaded quickly though... The Finder and AppleWorks GS are two programs that are Expressed [actually, most new GS programs are expressed these days, but those two are probably more commonly used]. Also, if you set the auxtype of the ExpressLoad file to $5254, the ExpressLoad graphic will automatically appear. $5254 == 'RT' => 'Rob Turner'?? >-- Mark >---- >ProLine: marks@pro-shop UUCP: crash!pro-shop!marks >Internet: marks@pro-shop.cts.com DARPA: crash!pro-shop!marks@nosc.mil -- David Huang | "Calzoni Pizza: Internet: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | Delivery in six UUCP: ..!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!daveh | hours, or else your America Online: DrWho29 | pizza is cold."