[comp.sys.apple2] Easy money

bazyar@ernie (Jawaid Bazyar) (03/22/91)

In article <246.27e77efe@mwk.uucp> tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes:
>                          
>                       INSTRUCTIONS
>                       ============
>Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you
>will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours.
>This program has remained successful because of the honesty
>and integrety of the participants.  Please continue its
>success by carefully adhering to the instructions.

  Uh huh.  Folks, you're making a mailing list for the guy at the TOP OF THE
PYRAMID, he's making bucks and you're getting rooked.
  These scame have been flowing over the net with concerning regularity
lately- I wish there was a way to accurately track down and terminate
everyone who posts these scams.

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   Apple II Forever!        |  (discussion about Orca/C)

jdd@db.toronto.edu (John DiMarco) (03/22/91)

tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes:


>                          
>                       INSTRUCTIONS
>                       ============
>Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you
>will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours.
>This program has remained successful because of the honesty
>and integrety of the participants.  Please continue its
>success by carefully adhering to the instructions.

This is an extremely slimy scam, usually known as a pyramid scheme. 

Consider what he's asking you to do: 
 - give 1 dollar to five different people, sight unseen.
 - donate your name and address to countless (junk) mailing lists.

Now consider what he's offering you:
 - an opportunity to scam lots of other people the same way.

If you think that the scam will work as well for you as it will work for
the person at the top of the list, think again.

Let's suppose you fall for the scam, and follow the instructions exactly.
You send off your 5x$1, then post the message to 10 BBS's with your name
in spot 10. Then suppose only one person for each BBS falls for the scam,
responds to the message, and makes 10 postings to 10 different BBS's each, 
with your name in spot 9. Note that this posting has already hit 100 BBS's
at this stage. Continuing the process, 1000 BBS's will see the posting with
your name in spot 8, 10000 BBS's will see the posting with your name in
spot 7, 100000 BBS's will see the posting with your name in spot 6, and
1 million BBS's will see the posting with your name in spot 5. Only then
will you start receiving money. By this time, over 1.1 million BBS's have
seen some variant of the message *you* posted. Now consider all the
other people responding to this fellow's posting to this and quite possibly
many other newsgroups. 

Now think: how many BBS's are there in the world? One hundred thousand? 
Probably many fewer than that. Now tell me: are you going to get *any* money
from this scheme if you follow the instructions? In all probability, 
not a cent. The only people who will benefit from this scheme are those
at the top of the list.

If you were a con artist who wanted to make some money through such a scheme,
you'd get a few friends (or aliases!) together, write up a list, make up
a few fake testimonial letters and pass the result around. You sit back and
rake in the cash, while all the gullible folk you're swindling rush around 
doing all the dirty work for you. By the time they get their turn to 
collect the promised cash, the "market" of gullible folk is saturated. 

That's why there are all sorts of laws, in both Canada and the US, outlawing
pyramid schemes. 

This, by the way, has nothing to do with Apple IIs. I post it here in the
hope of dissuading anyone from wasting money and effort in order to benefit
swindlers. 

John
--
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University of Toronto, CSRI    BITNET: jdd%db.toronto.edu@relay.cs.net
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taob@pnet91.cts.com (Brian Tao) (03/22/91)

    Now there's one reason why I sometimes wish comp.sys.apple2 was a
moderated newsgroup.  Did this guy (Bill Tway) just walk in and send his "easy
money" message here?  How many other newsgroups has he hit?  A few days ago, a
local user uploaded some text file to a Macintosh BBS in Toronto, and I
suspect it is the exact same letter.  It's just another variation of a mail
pyramid scam.

Brian T. Tao   *B-) |  t569taob@bluffs.scar.utoronto.ca  | "Though this be
U of Metro Toronto  |               - or -               |  madness, yet there
Scarberia, ON       |        taob@pnet91.cts.com         |  is method in 't."

daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) (03/22/91)

Gak! Not here!

-- 
David Huang                              |   "Calzoni Pizza:
Internet: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu       |       Delivery in six
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America Online: DrWho29                  |       pizza is cold."

glenn@SLOTH.NCSL.NIST.GOV (K. Robert Glenn) (03/22/91)

>
>  Uh huh.  Folks, you're making a mailing list for the guy at the TOP OF THE
>PYRAMID, he's making bucks and you're getting rooked.
>  These scame have been flowing over the net with concerning regularity
>lately- I wish there was a way to accurately track down and terminate
>everyone who posts these scams.
>
>--
>Jawaid Bazyar               |"I'm sure K&R have never heard of Mike." 

I have to agree, isn't it illegal to use the internet for profit.  This kind
of thing has *nothing* to do with apple computer and should *NOT* be
tolerated on this or any other internet mailing list.  It takes alot to really
upset me, but this kind of con-artist scam has a tendancy to push me over the
edge!!!  Maybe we could use a tactical-worm that will trace all the senders
of such messages and remove all their accounts.

Rob G.
glenn@osi.ncsl.nist.gov

gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (03/23/91)

In article <1991Mar21.164850.15625@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
-In article <246.27e77efe@mwk.uucp> tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes:
->Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you
->will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours.
-  Uh huh.  Folks, you're making a mailing list for the guy at the TOP OF THE
-PYRAMID, he's making bucks and you're getting rooked.
-  These scame have been flowing over the net with concerning regularity
-lately- I wish there was a way to accurately track down and terminate
-everyone who posts these scams.

Indeed, that is a classic example of a "pyramid" scheme, and it is HIGHLY
ILLEGAL, at least when it uses the US mails.  I suspect that the same is
true in spades for such use of the DoD Internet facilities.  Participants
in such schemes risk being the object of criminal prosecution.

MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET (03/23/91)

On Fri, 22 Mar 91 22:06:06 GMT Doug Gwyn said:
>
>Indeed, that is a classic example of a "pyramid" scheme, and it is HIGHLY
>ILLEGAL, at least when it uses the US mails.  I suspect that the same is
>true in spades for such use of the DoD Internet facilities.  Participants
>in such schemes risk being the object of criminal prosecution.

A year or two ago, one of our local news stations did a story on pyramid
scams.  According to them, it's HIGHLY illegal, regardless of how you
advertise it... even word of mouth.  What was happenning here, in Chattanooga,
was that some people were doing a scam called the 'airplane'.  One person
starts a fictitious airplane.  This person is called the pilot.  He then
gets to co-pilots and they each get two crew helpers, who each get two
passengers, who each get to pieces of luggage.  Everyone pays the pilot
a certain amount of money (in this case, it was like $5000).  So the pilot
takes off with $155,000.  Then he leaves.  Each person in the pyramid
moves up one rank.  Each co-pilot becoms a pilot of their own plane (two
planes now).  Then, each passenger (previously ranked as luggage) must find
2 new peices of luggage.  The new luggage each pays their share to the pilot
Then everyone moves up another notch in the ranking system and the two
planes divide into four planes, and so on.  You don't get paid until you are
pilot, IF you ever get that far.  The planes usually crash very soon after
they take off (the chain breaks up and people don't get new luggage) and
everyone who has not made it to pilot yet loses their money.  Also, it
doesn't take long for their to be more people that have 'theoretically'
played, than there are people in the world!
The local police cracked the game and arrested everyone who participated
(who were all middle to high class citizens).

I think I'll stop here, 'cause this has nothing to do with Apple II's, but
I'd like to hear what happens to that jerk that posted in our group if
anyone finds out.

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