unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (03/17/91)
In article <387.apple.a2.net@pro-nbs> asong@pro-nbs.cts.com (Andi Song) writes: > I'm going to college soon (next year) and am worried about my >computer setup. I plan to lug my GS along with me, but am worried about >compatibility with the school's systems, which probably are Macintoshes. So >unless that damned Duet card (CirTech, are you listening?) comes out, I >might have to switch over to the Mac world. Or (GASP!!) IBM. Oh come on. I am a senior computer engineering student and have had my IIGS since before I started college... Basically -everyone- on ucscb (the computer system where students/faculty/etc can get free public accounts) knows me as the "Apple II fanatic"... I see no logical reason why you would EVER need to switch to those computers.. The only thing I use Macs for on campus is word processing (they are like 512K Macs which SUCK, but I don't have a good GS word processor... Are any as good as WORD for the Mac? Even though on these Macs I have to switch disks a lot and it's slow, I ---really--- like Word!) I use these '386s on campus for terminals (admittedly since they're directly connected to the net, they're pretty cool since they run Xenix and they have those neat "alt-windows" things so I can have multiple-logins at once)... I see no reason to switch though... I either use machines on campus when I have to or use my GS at home... If you get a modem (2400 AT LEAST.. 9600s are cheap enough nowadays to seriously consider one.. You will be disappointed with anything less than 2400, and will get sick of 2400 after a while.. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CAN GET GREAT GS SOFTWARE over the net!), you can log into all of your school computers, etc. So basically I think it's a BOGUS argument to say you should switch to another computer... You have ORCA/C.. If you -need- speed, get a Zip GS. End of argument.. (heh heh) -- <unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! ULTIMA VI GS -mail me. CDs-mail me>
meekins@apple.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy lee meekins) (03/18/91)
In article <13519@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > >In article <387.apple.a2.net@pro-nbs> asong@pro-nbs.cts.com (Andi Song) writes: <Whole bunch of stuff about selling IIgs' deleted> A lot of people are getting some pretty warped ideas. I've some similar trends on some local bulletin boards. Phrases such as "Oh I <think> Apple might be not making the //e anymore so I'm going to go buy an IBM." I took a Logic class once, and somehow that has to be fallacious argument. For example, I own a Buick Century; Buick quit making it but I didn't go buy a Ford the next day. The car fit my needs. It does what I want it to do. Just like my Apple II. These people used there Apple up until they heard a rumor, so they must have been using the computer until then, so why is it that it suddenly does't do what you need as soon as you hear a <rumor>. This doesn't make a d*mn bit of sense! I've never seen a bigger bunch of wimps in my life. If the II never did fit your needs, then why did you have it this long? Otherwise, why does it suddenly not fit your needs? Just remember, a large number of these <rumors> come from Mac users who don't want Apple spending money on the II. -- +---------------------------S-U-P-P-O-R-T-----------------------------------+ |/ Tim Meekins <<>> Snail Mail: <<>> Apple II \| |> meekins@cis.ohio-state.edu <<>> 8372 Morris Rd. <<>> Forever! <| |\ timm@pro-tcc.cts.com <<>> Hilliard, OH 43026 <<>> /|
bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) (03/18/91)
In <97282@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> meekins@apple.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy lee meekins) writes: >In article <13519@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >> >>In article <387.apple.a2.net@pro-nbs> asong@pro-nbs.cts.com (Andi Song) writes: ><Whole bunch of stuff about selling IIgs' deleted> >A lot of people are getting some pretty warped ideas. I've some similar trends >on some local bulletin boards. Phrases such as "Oh I <think> Apple might be >not making the //e anymore so I'm going to go buy an IBM." I took a Logic >class once, and somehow that has to be fallacious argument. For example, >I own a Buick Century; Buick quit making it but I didn't go buy a Ford >the next day. The car fit my needs. It does what I want it to do. Just >like my Apple II. These people used there Apple up until they heard a >rumor, so they must have been using the computer until then, so why is it >that it suddenly does't do what you need as soon as you hear a <rumor>. >This doesn't make a d*mn bit of sense! I've never seen a bigger bunch of >wimps in my life. If the II never did fit your needs, then why did you >have it this long? Otherwise, why does it suddenly not fit your needs? >Just remember, a large number of these <rumors> come from Mac users who >don't want Apple spending money on the II. >|/ Tim Meekins <<>> Snail Mail: <<>> Apple II \| >|> meekins@cis.ohio-state.edu <<>> 8372 Morris Rd. <<>> Forever! <| >|\ timm@pro-tcc.cts.com <<>> Hilliard, OH 43026 <<>> /| Tim, you don't know how much I appreciate every word you have said above.. It is the most logical statement I have seen in a long time, and you said it in better words than I have in the past used, but which lead to the same conclusion.. Bottom line, if it does what you bought it to do, it will continue to do so current model or not.. -- bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu | | MCI MAIL:BSHERMAN
MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET (03/18/91)
On Sun, 17 Mar 91 16:39:10 GMT timothy lee meekins said: > >A lot of people are getting some pretty warped ideas. I've some similar trends >on some local bulletin boards. Phrases such as "Oh I <think> Apple might be >not making the //e anymore so I'm going to go buy an IBM." I took a Logic >class once, and somehow that has to be fallacious argument. For example, >I own a Buick Century; Buick quit making it but I didn't go buy a Ford >the next day. The car fit my needs. It does what I want it to do. Just >like my Apple II. These people used there Apple up until they heard a >rumor, so they must have been using the computer until then, so why is it >that it suddenly does't do what you need as soon as you hear a <rumor>. >This doesn't make a d*mn bit of sense! I've never seen a bigger bunch of >wimps in my life. If the II never did fit your needs, then why did you >have it this long? Otherwise, why does it suddenly not fit your needs? >Just remember, a large number of these <rumors> come from Mac users who >don't want Apple spending money on the II. When I got my first computer (Franklin Ace 1000--Apple II+ compatible) in 1982, it 'fit my needs' up to as much as I could expect for the price and the technology of the time. Times change, my needs change, technology and COST of technology are always changing at indirectly proportional rates. What suited my needs in 1982 won't suit my needs in 1991. What suits my needs in 1991 won't suit my needs in 2000. Actually, no computer can fully support my needs. I'll probably never see that computer in my lifetime, but for today, I need what's most advanced and economically feasible for me. I need a computer that I can learn from and learn skills I'll need when I eventually go out and get a real job after I graduate. If the computer I have now, will be supported in the future AND at reasonable prices AND is technologically comparable to other machines on the market, then I have nothing to worry about. If, on the other hand, it stagnates and is not supported, I have a serious problem. >-- >+---------------------------S-U-P-P-O-R-T-----------------------------------+ >|/ Tim Meekins <<>> Snail Mail: <<>> Apple II \| >|> meekins@cis.ohio-state.edu <<>> 8372 Morris Rd. <<>> Forever! <| >|\ timm@pro-tcc.cts.com <<>> Hilliard, OH 43026 <<>> /| ---------------------------------------- Michael J. Quinn University of Tennessee at Chattanooga BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm <------------send files here pro-line-- mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com
sb@pnet91.cts.com (Stephen Brown) (03/22/91)
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > >In article <387.apple.a2.net@pro-nbs> asong@pro-nbs.cts.com (Andi Song) writes: >> I'm going to college soon (next year) and am worried about my >>computer setup. I plan to lug my GS along with me, but am worried about >>compatibility with the school's systems, which probably are Macintoshes. So >>unless that damned Duet card (CirTech, are you listening?) comes out, I >>might have to switch over to the Mac world. Or (GASP!!) IBM. > > Oh come on. I am a senior computer engineering student and have >had my IIGS since before I started college... Basically -everyone- >on ucscb (the computer system where students/faculty/etc can get free >public accounts) knows me as the "Apple II fanatic"... > I managed in University (University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada) quite nicely with my Apple IIgs... never ONCE needed a Macintosh (sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry) or an MS-DOS machine. I wasn't in Engineering though. Friends of mine in Engineering more-or-less NEED an MS-DOS machine because that's where the Engineering applications are. For a II owner, a PCT might be a solution, but for people buying something new, a Clone is better.... and MUCH better than a Mac... considering the installed userbase. While you have your Apple IIgs... use it... love it... but if a man in a blue suit offers you some Mac... just say NO! UUCP: lsuc!graham!pnet91!sb INET: sb@pnet91.cts.com
j0p7771@sigma.tamu.edu (PEREZ, JASON) (03/23/91)
In article <597@generic.UUCP>, sb@pnet91.cts.com (Stephen Brown) writes... >unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >> >>In article <387.apple.a2.net@pro-nbs> asong@pro-nbs.cts.com (Andi Song) writes: >>> I'm going to college soon (next year) and am worried about my ...stuff deleted > >an MS-DOS machine. I wasn't in Engineering though. Friends of mine in >Engineering more-or-less NEED an MS-DOS machine because that's where the I've managed for about 4 years with my GS and I'm an Electrical Engineering major. Most of the stuff I do is lab reports, which I use AWGS, and then use the campus Laserwriters for printouts. For serious engineering work, I use the campus mainframes/workstations, like SPICE and VLSI CAD programs. Any home computer is probably not going to be able to do these very well, be it apple //,mac,ibm,etc. Only once have i had to use a program that I had to run on an ibm/mac, because the brain-dead publishers only made it for those computers, but i have a PCT for such purposes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bitnet : J0P7771@TAMSIGMA | "Frodo Lives !!" Internet: J0P7771@sigma.tamu.edu | "Don't have a cow man! J0P7771@venus.tamu.edu Jason Perez -----------------------------------------------------------------------------