unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu (The Unknown User) (03/27/91)
Hard to believe, but I found a positive thing to say about the
Mac coverage being in A+/InCider..
Now that there's Mac coverage in there, there are ads for hard
drives with reasonable price tags! $505 for a Syquest based cartridge
drive! Good prices!
None of this ripoff Vulcan and Applied Ingenuity drives stuff..
(Yeah I know AI is dead).
Cheap, reasonable SCSI drive prices... Sure there were SCSI
drive ads before, but never before with good price tags.. I think
when you saw Syquest based drives before, they were at least $800 or
above..
Not that I buy A+/Incider, I just took a look at it when I was
in a bookstore the other day... It still had mostly Apple II stuff in it..
[old info mainly] I was thinking of sending 'em a letter saying how
much easier it is for someone just to get an account with UseNet
access and read info that's much more up to date and you don't have to
deal with the Mac garbage like you do in A+/InCider.. They wouldn't
publish it most likely but it'd be nice..
Their retrospective was kind of nice.
And, while on the discussion of magazines, I'll tell a little
about one that has nothign to do with the Apple II but I still looked
through and found to be nice..
I don't remember the name, but it's the premiere issue of
a magazine for the NeXT computer. It's not a bound magazine (like
A+/InCider), it's just folded in half and stapled (like Rolling Stone
and Premiere)..
It was quite a neat magazine, and one of the really cool
things was that it had a column called "comp.sys.next" which summarized
recent developments from the comp.sys.next newsgroup.
Wow! A "popular" {as opposed to techy} publication that realizes
the existance of UseNet!
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/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! ULTIMA VI GS -mail me. CDs-mail me\
\ McIntosh Junior: The Power to Crush the Other Kids. /philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) (03/28/91)
In article <13823@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu (The Unknown User) writes: [stuff re InCider,etc...] > Not that I buy A+/Incider, I just took a look at it when I was >in a bookstore the other day... It still had mostly Apple II stuff in it.. >[old info mainly] I was thinking of sending 'em a letter saying how >much easier it is for someone just to get an account with UseNet >access and read info that's much more up to date and you don't have to >deal with the Mac garbage like you do in A+/InCider.. They wouldn't >publish it most likely but it'd be nice.. One of the problems with this whole InCider and Apple and AE criticising is contained in the first 5 words. A lot of people who seem to feel everyone owes them a living couldn't be bothered buying anything for the GS. Stealing software has had a bad effect on the non-educational market.I personally think that InCider is doing what it has to in order to survive. The future of the GS is tied to the way it interacts with the Mac and through it the rest of the world. That being said, I still feel the GS is a wonderful computer( and to the ST person hanging around, System Software does count and the ST could do with some work in that area). The GS is fully capable of surviving in today's world but not at its current price point. > And, while on the discussion of magazines, I'll tell a little >about one that has nothign to do with the Apple II but I still looked >through and found to be nice.. > > I don't remember the name, but it's the premiere issue of >a magazine for the NeXT computer. It's not a bound magazine (like >A+/InCider), it's just folded in half and stapled (like Rolling Stone >and Premiere).. NeXTWorld is indeed quite nice and I hope they get their subscription act together. I also hope that people will not move on to the NeXT in order to ruin that platform through theft. Philip McDunnough NeXTMail-> philip@utstat.utoronto.ca (use this the reply address is wrong)
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (03/28/91)
In article <1991Mar27.201136.6459@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes: >In article <13823@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu (The Unknown User) writes: >> Not that I buy A+/Incider, I just took a look at it when I was >>in a bookstore the other day... It still had mostly Apple II stuff in it.. >One of the problems with this whole InCider and Apple and AE criticising >is contained in the first 5 words. A lot of people who seem to feel >everyone owes them a living couldn't be bothered buying anything for >the GS. Stealing software has had a bad effect on the non-educational >market.I personally think that InCider is doing what it has to in order >to survive. The future of the GS is tied to the way it interacts with the >Mac and through it the rest of the world. What the HELL does anything I said have to do with not buying GS software? All I said was I glanced through a usually crappy magazine and it was a little better than usual (because it had cheap hard drive ads).. I used to be a total pirate and now have bought a few GS programs, and hope to buy a lot more... And I'm not even buying the programs out of legal reasons, I'm buying them out of moral reasons... The programs are WORTH buying and the authors deserve money.. Nobody can convince me that the authors of Paperboy GS and Gauntlet GS deserve a cent! (not that I ever even touched those more than once and copied over them very very quickly) I've probably turned 90 degrees in my views on piracy.. I still think it's useful in testing out stuff for an extended period of time, but things that are worth paying for should be paid for.. I repeat my main statement... My statements you replied to had NOTHING to do with piracy, and you seemed to be calling me a pirate. -- /unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! ULTIMA VI GS -mail me. CDs-mail me\ \ McIntosh Junior: The Power to Crush the Other Kids. /
philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) (03/28/91)
In article <13840@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: [ heated words regarding certain inferences, views on piracy,etc...] > I repeat my main statement... My statements you replied to had >NOTHING to do with piracy, and you seemed to be calling me a pirate. I certainly did not wish to imply anything of the sort. I simply pointed out that many, if not few, people are not willing to pay for anything related to the GS( and other computers). The magazines have to make a living. I buy some, I'm sure you might have,etc...but I'm certain that you've seen lot's of people standing around reading them cover to cover, and not paying for the information( be it on hard drives or otherwise) they obtain. It simply means that the magazines are either priced higher than they would otherwise be or they are put into plastic jackets and that prevents legitimate browsing. The same thing holds for software. Philip McDunnough NeXT/GS mail->philip@utstat.utoronto.ca
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (03/29/91)
In article <1991Mar28.083521.25066@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes: >I certainly did not wish to imply anything of the sort. I simply pointed >out that many, if not few, people are not willing to pay for anything related >to the GS( and other computers). The magazines have to make a living. I >buy some, I'm sure you might have,etc...but I'm certain that you've seen Well, I admit I was pretty much sitting (err, standing) and reading InCider/A+ from "cover to cover".. Not literally, but reading the stuff I would be interested in, which was a small portion of the magazine.. that's why I don't buy it.. They don't have enough info that I want. (I also read most of NeXTWorld to see what it was like) As I think I said before, UseNet gives me more in depth info and quicker. That's not to say I don't like magazines.. I sent off a check to A2Central yesterday and hope to get GS+ sometime soon.. -- /unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! ULTIMA VI GS -mail me. CDs-mail me\ \ McIntosh Junior: The Power to Crush the Other Kids. /
declan@remus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) (03/31/91)
In article <13823@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu (The Unknown User) writes: > And, while on the discussion of magazines, I'll tell a little > about one that has nothign to do with the Apple II but I still looked > through and found to be nice.. > > I don't remember the name, but it's the premiere issue of > a magazine for the NeXT computer. It's not a bound magazine (like > A+/InCider), it's just folded in half and stapled (like Rolling Stone > and Premiere).. > > It was quite a neat magazine, and one of the really cool > things was that it had a column called "comp.sys.next" which summarized > recent developments from the comp.sys.next newsgroup. Yup, I know - I wrote it. NeXTWORLD is trying to pay particular attention to the online communities and user groups, since they play an important part in defining the future of the NeXT religion. $-) > Wow! A "popular" {as opposed to techy} publication that realizes > the existance of UseNet! Not only did we do it at NeXTWORLD, but doesn't UNIX Review or UNIX World have a column that only recently featured the "strange" parts of USENET: talk.bizarre, alt.sex.bestiality, and so on... OB Apple II? Hmm... Write letters to the editors at Nibble and ask that they do the same thing. -Declan
declan@remus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) (03/31/91)
In article <1991Mar27.201136.6459@utstat.uucp>, philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes: > NeXTWorld is indeed quite nice and I hope they get their subscription > act together. I also hope that people will not move on to the NeXT in > order to ruin that platform through theft. I second that. It's not quite the same market, since it's easy to restrict applications for use on one computer, or check the network to make sure multiple copies with the same serial numbers aren't running. But I wonder how many millions of dollars were lost due to software piracy in the Apple II community? And what would be substantially different now if that money _wasn't_ lost? -Declan
gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (04/01/91)
In article <Mar.31.03.43.10.1991.22903@remus.rutgers.edu> declan@remus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) writes: >But I wonder how many millions of dollars were lost due to software >piracy in the Apple II community? And what would be substantially >different now if that money _wasn't_ lost? My feeling is that the vast majority of pirated software would not have been purchased had copying it proven technically impossible. It may even be that more genuine sales were lost due to problems caused by copy protection (such as, inability to use with UniDisk, inability to load onto hard disk, unreliable operation, nuisance factor) than were gained by it. Some Apple II software publishers thrived (back when Apple II software was still a hot item) without resorting to copy protection. Perhaps one of the reasons that software publishers dropped the Apple II market while it was still viable was that SPA members all conspired to do so; at least many of them were publicly uttering false statements about the Apple II's capabilities (while continuing to publish for the Commodore 64!) Certainly, the universal perception that Apple was not much interested in the future of their own Apple II product line contributed significantly to the reluctance of many software publishers to invest further effort in Apple II support. Some Apple officers (Lee, Russo, et. al.) have given assurances that Apple would decide what to do about the Apple II product line and implement those decisions, whether it be to discontinue it or to actively support it. My guess is that they decided not to tell us what the decision was, which is exactly the problem we've all had with Apple's attitude toward the Apple II for the last several years. If they do intend to really support it, we all need to SEE and HEAR enough evidence of that to spur renewed interest on the part of third-party developers. Meanwhile, I have a really nice home computer system based around my IIGS, and it's just too bad that I have a limited choice of commercial software for it. Fortunately for my purposes, which involve developing my own software anyway, it appears that we FINALLY have a suitable development platform with ORCA/C 1.2. (Apple would have us buy a Macintosh instead, which is ludicrous.)
greg@hoss.unl.edu (Lig Lury Jr.) (04/04/91)
... unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >... philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes: >>I certainly did not wish to imply anything of the sort. I simply pointed >>out that many, if not few, people are not willing to pay for anything related >>to the GS( and other computers). The magazines have to make a living. I >>buy some, I'm sure you might have,etc...but I'm certain that you've seen > Well, I admit I was pretty much sitting (err, standing) and reading >InCider/A+ from "cover to cover".. Not literally, but reading the stuff I >would be interested in, which was a small portion of the magazine.. >that's why I don't buy it.. They don't have enough info that I want. >(I also read most of NeXTWorld to see what it was like) Don't feel guilty, it is also possible to check out back issues in libraries, and read current issues in the library, without having a subscription. >-- >/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! ULTIMA VI GS -mail me. CDs-mail me\ >\ McIntosh Junior: The Power to Crush the Other Kids. / -- /// ____ \\\ "It says, `Golgafrincham Ark Fleet, Ship B, Hold 7, Telephone | |/ / \ \| | Sanitizer, Second Class,' and a serial number." "A telephone \\_(\____/)_// sanitizer? A dead telephone sanitizer?" "Best greg \_\\\/ hoss.unl.edu kind." "But what's he doing here?" "Not a lot."