gt1077c@prism.gatech.edu (gt1077c JONES,MARK ANTHONY) (03/21/91)
After reading some of the articles about the Apple decision to cancel the Apple II line (Officially, anyway!!), I find it very disturbing. I love my Apple IIgs (I still have my Apple ][+), and I see no need for Apple's Macintosh to steal the show. Both computers could have a share in the market. When I walk into computer stores now, there are only a few Apple II items, and tons of IBM and Mac stuff. I guess what has been invitable for the pass few is finally a reality. Even faithful developers for the Apple are leaving us cold (AE for example). Well, one sure thing, I won't abandon my Apple IIgs like Apple computer has. But it does make on think If it is really worth putting faith in a company that has shown its several million Apple II customers a cold shoulder r for the past few years. And lets not forget all the easy money they made either. Well I guess I just another disgruntled Apple II enthusiasts who's had it over his head with Macmania.
philip@yunexus.yorku.ca (Phil McDunnough) (03/21/91)
In article <9103210027.AA06851@prism.gatech.edu> gt1077c@prism.gatech.edu (gt1077c JONES,MARK ANTHONY) writes: >After reading some of the articles about the Apple decision to cancel the >Apple II line (Officially, anyway!!), I find it very disturbing. Do you know something that seems to have escaped some of us? When did Apple "Officially" cancel the GS? I assume you wouldn't be making this kind of statement based on a rumour now, would you? If so, it's really unacceptable. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [my opinions,etc...]
tribby@hpindwa.cup.hp.com (David Tribby) (03/23/91)
gt1077c@prism.gatech.edu (gt1077c JONES,MARK ANTHONY) writes.. > After reading some of the articles about the Apple decision to cancel the > Apple II line (Officially, anyway!!), I find it very disturbing. A new comp.sys.apple2 reader? Just because someone says Apple might be cancelling the II doesn't make it so. Consider the source, and remember that there are lots of rumors. There is no official word on dropping IIs; in fact, Apple has brought out system software updates and a large new software package (hypercard) in the past few months. They hired Andy Nicholas last year and turned him loose on the Finder, so we're all expecting more great things out of Cupertino :-). > ... When I walk into computer stores now, there are only a few > Apple II items, and tons of IBM and Mac stuff. Yes, this is disturbing. Here in the SF Bay Area, the largest stores seem to have tons of IBM and pounds of Mac stuff. At least Egghead seems to have a reasonable selection of Apple II software. I think II users will have to depend more on mail-order. Check out the ads in A+/InCider (the ads are the best thing in it) or Nibble, if you can find them at a newsstand. > I won't abandon my Apple IIgs like Apple computer has. > But it does make on think If it is really worth putting faith in a company > that has shown its several million Apple II customers a cold shoulder Good philosophy...keep using the GS as long as it meets your needs. When you need a new computer, remember how well Apple has treated you. -- Dave Tribby PS: Don't forget that April Fools Day is coming up. Be particularly skeptical of "official" pronouncements over the next two weeks! -------- E-mail: there are many ways to get to my mailbox... tribby@cup.hp.com (I *think* this now works; test it out!) tribby%hpda@hplabs.HP.COM hplabs!hpda!tribby
PYC121@URIACC.URI.EDU (Andy Kress) (03/25/91)
On Fri, 22 Mar 91 18:23:35 GMT David Tribby said: >Yes, this is disturbing. Here in the SF Bay Area, the largest stores >seem to have tons of IBM and pounds of Mac stuff. At least Egghead seems >to have a reasonable selection of Apple II software. I think II This is funny. Here in RI Egghead had a super selection of GS software and hardware. Just before Christmas however, when that Mac card for the GS rumor was floationg, they dropped all their GS stuff. They told me the GS would be able to run Mac stuff soon so there was no reason for them to carry GS stuff anymore. Needless to say, I cursed under my breath and left that store with ill feelings. And I used to praise Egghead. Andy Kress PYC121 AT URIACC.URI.EDU Apple II: The power to take over the world!
alfter@nevada.edu (SCOTT ALFTER) (03/26/91)
In article <54240028@hpindwa.cup.hp.com> tribby@hpindwa.cup.hp.com (David Tribby) writes: >users will have to depend more on mail-order. Check out the ads in >A+/InCider (the ads are the best thing in it) or Nibble, if you can >find them at a newsstand. According to the April issue, Nibble will no longer be sold at newsstands; you'll have to subscribe to it to get it. (I never saw Nibble in the local bookstores to begin with--not that it's a big concern, as I've maintained a subscription since 1985.) Scott Alfter-----------------------------_/_---------------------------- Support Operation Apple Storm! / v \ Apple II: Internet: alfter@uns-helios.nevada.edu ( ( the power to be your best! GEnie: S.ALFTER \_^_/
rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) (03/27/91)
In article <9103210027.AA06851@prism.gatech.edu>, gt1077c@prism.gatech.edu (gt1077c JONES,MARK ANTHONY) writes: > After reading some of the articles about the Apple decision to cancel the > Apple II line (Officially, anyway!!), I find it very disturbing. I love > my Apple IIgs (I still have my Apple ][+), and I see no need for Apple's > Macintosh to steal the show. Both computers could have a share in the > market. When I walk into computer stores now, there are only a few > Apple II items, and tons of IBM and Mac stuff. I guess what has been > invitable for the pass few is finally a reality. Even faithful developers > for the Apple are leaving us cold (AE for example). Well, one sure thing, > I won't abandon my Apple IIgs like Apple computer has. > But it does make on think If it is really worth putting faith in a company > that has shown its several million Apple II customers a cold shoulder r > for the past few years. And lets not forget all the easy money they made > either. > Well I guess I just another disgruntled Apple II enthusiasts who's > had it over his head with Macmania. Or someone who has payed a fortune for a computer that isn't as powerful as your neighbor's computer that they paid half of what you paid. When I read these Apple II forever msgs, I feel that it is coming from someone who spent $3000 for a computer system, only to have it be outdated in a few years. Three years ago, I was faced with a similar decision. Should I get rid of my Atari 800xl? I decided that since I could purchase a ST with a meg of Ram, second disk drive, and color monitor for $1000, I decided to go for it. Now before I get tons of flame-mail, I would like to say that Apple doesn't have a grudge against the Apple II line or their users, its just that 8/16 bit computers aren't profitably anymore. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ryan 'Gozar' Collins Question for IBM Users: rlcollins@miavx1.BITNET |||| Power Without How DO you move/copy a rc1dsanu@miamiu.BITNET / || \ The Price!! Subdirectory? R.COLLINS1 on GEnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Derek A. Taubert) (04/04/91)
> >When I read these Apple II forever msgs, I feel that it is coming from >someone who spent $3000 for a computer system, only to have it be outdated >in a few years. > Outdated? No.. When you consider all of the add-on cards that AE and other companies have made, when you consider that the IIgs Toolbox and GS/OS are superior to any mac equivalent, when you consider that the machine is practically a workstation with only it's system disk, I think you had better take that back. > >Now before I get tons of flame-mail, I would like to say that Apple doesn't >have a grudge against the Apple II line or their users, its just that 8/16 >bit computers aren't profitably anymore. > Well, it ain't mail... It's not that 8/16 bit computers aren't profitable anymore. If you dare to argue this, I will ask you how much do you think that Nintendo is worth now? It's all in the software development. I'm really pretty offended by your remarks about this, and I don't want to start a flaming match, but a person with an atari sig should not stomp his foot around apple grounds. The sig alone is enough to get people (like me) jumping down your throat. -- + Derek Taubert --> derek@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu + Author of : GScii + + dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu + {MUCH more to come...} + + "Well, ...lettuce is a transformation of a dead cougar that suffered a + + relapse on a lion's toe. And he swallowed the lion and something happened. + + The ...see, the ...Gloria and Tommy, they're two heads and they're not + + whales. But they escaped with herds of vomit, and things like that." +
daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) (04/05/91)
In article <1991Apr3.171536.20100@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Derek A. Taubert) writes: >Outdated? No.. When you consider all of the add-on cards that AE and other >companies have made, when you consider that the IIgs Toolbox and GS/OS are >superior to any mac equivalent, when you consider that the machine is >practically a workstation with only it's system disk, I think you had better >take that back. Yes, the GS Toolbox is much better than the Mac's, and GS/OS is one of the nicest (if not _the_ nicest) OS I've seen for a PC. Someone (was it Ryan Collins?? Sorry if it wasn't you) says: >>Now before I get tons of flame-mail, I would like to say that Apple doesn't >>have a grudge against the Apple II line or their users, its just that 8/16 >>bit computers aren't profitably anymore. >Well, it ain't mail... >It's not that 8/16 bit computers aren't profitable anymore. If you dare to >argue this, I will ask you how much do you think that Nintendo is worth now? >It's all in the software development. I'm really pretty offended by your True, the Nintendo and Super NES are 8/16 bit machines, but they do have tons of specialized coprocessors though... >remarks about this, and I don't want to start a flaming match, but a person >with an atari sig should not stomp his foot around apple grounds. The sig >alone is enough to get people (like me) jumping down your throat. Frankly, I don't care what he has in his sig. If he's got an Atari, that's fine with me, as long as he wants to talk about Apple IIs. >+ Derek Taubert --> derek@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu + Author of : GScii + >+ dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu + {MUCH more to come...} + -- David Huang | "Calzoni Pizza: Internet: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | Delivery in six UUCP: ..!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!daveh | hours, or else your America Online: DrWho29 | pizza is cold."
alfter@nevada.edu (SCOTT ALFTER) (04/06/91)
In article <4418.27ef895b@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes: >Now before I get tons of flame-mail, I would like to say that Apple doesn't >have a grudge against the Apple II line or their users, its just that 8/16 >bit computers aren't profitably anymore. Ever hear of Nintendo? Scott Alfter-----------------------------_/_---------------------------- Support Operation Apple Storm! / v \ Apple II: Internet: alfter@uns-helios.nevada.edu ( ( the power to be your best! GEnie: S.ALFTER \_^_/
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (04/06/91)
In article <1991Apr5.180459.4061@nevada.edu> alfter@nevada.edu (SCOTT ALFTER) writes: .In article <4418.27ef895b@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes: .>Now before I get tons of flame-mail, I would like to say that Apple doesn't .>have a grudge against the Apple II line or their users, its just that 8/16 .>bit computers aren't profitably anymore. .Ever hear of Nintendo? Do you really call the Nintendo a computer?? Despite the fact that it has a lot of the same hardware as a computer (and the same CPU as my favorite computer at that), it's a game machine and not a computer. I would say you have to be able to program it (from "user" mode.. don't tell me to become a developer or something!) for it to be a computer. So my HP calculator and even the Atari 2600 (another "game machine") are closer to a computer than the Nintendo. [The Atari 2600 comment isn't completely serious, but hell, there was a BASIC programming cartridge!] -- /unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! ULTIMA VI GS -mail me. CDs-mail me\ \ McIntosh Junior: The Power to Crush the Other Kids. /