ec142123@pc.usl.edu (Leece Matt B) (05/06/90)
I WILL BE purchasing a //gs at the end of the summer however, I have a
few questions. I have been using an II+/IIE for about the past seven years.
I think they are wonderful machines however, my brother is taking my //e so
I am going to buy a //gs (hopefully a rom 04, if it is out). here are my
questions. I have spent about a total of 10 minutes on a gs in my entire
life. So please pardon any miss use of terms.
1. I know all my IBM friends can write a prog. in Turbo Pascal and then
xmodem the file to the UNIX computer. So they don't have to use the
terrible editor that is on here. If I use a pascal or C compiler will
I be able to do the same?
2. Will I be able to launch the files form the desktop once the are compiled
and linked?
thankyou.skann@gnh-applesauce.cts.com (Steve Kann) (05/07/90)
Regarding your questions 1 and 2, YES, YES.
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* Sent by AppleSauce BBS at Sun, 6 May 90 12:25:33lmb7421@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Les Barstow: Phoenix) (05/07/90)
In article <7988@rouge.usl.edu> ec142123@pc.usl.edu (Leece Matt B) writes: >1. I know all my IBM friends can write a prog. in Turbo Pascal and then > xmodem the file to the UNIX computer. So they don't have to use the > terrible editor that is on here. If I use a pascal or C compiler will > I be able to do the same? Answer: Yes. GS compilers, unlike older Apple compilers, are full implementations of their respective languages, with extensions for the GS's graphics and sound and file systems. Provided you write standard code and avoid those special interfaces, your code is completely portable. ORCA/C is a full ANSI C compiler (with a few diffs, but nothing major). TML Pascal is reasonably standard (although the file system commands are strange - more related to GS/OS than to Pascal); I believe ORCA Pascal is more standard in this respect. The desktop editor ORCA provides with their compilers is superb. It even has auto-indent (something I missed terribly since UCSD Pascal years ago). >2. Will I be able to launch the files form the desktop once the are compiled > and linked? Answer: Yes. Some small modifications must be made to the file (change the filetype), but other than that, yes. -- Les Barstow | Send me mail on what you'd like to see in a BBS program SunSinger | and/or a terminal emulation program. Phoenix rising...+------------------------------------------------------------- LMB7421@ritvax.bitnet | lmb7421@ultb.isc.rit.edu |...rochester!rit!ultb!lmb7421
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) (05/08/90)
In article <7988@rouge.usl.edu> ec142123@pc.usl.edu (Leece Matt B) writes: >1. I know all my IBM friends can write a prog. in Turbo Pascal and then > xmodem the file to the UNIX computer. So they don't have to use the > terrible editor that is on here. If I use a pascal or C compiler will > I be able to do the same? I regularly transfer C source files between our UNIX systems and my Apple IIGS. I edit them in both places; the ORCA Desktop editor on the IIGS is not bad, although not quite as nice as "sam" (but it beats "vi" and "emacs" for most editing tasks). >2. Will I be able to launch the files form the desktop once the are > compiled and linked? That depends on how you design and link them. There are some shell facilities that are unavailable if you build the application for the desktop environment, so if your applications would benefit from a more UNIX-like environment you may want to tie them to the APW shell.
R1DEC%AKRONVM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (04/09/91)
I am new to the list and have been reading all this mail for a week now, trying
to figure out current topics. Personally, I have two (2) count them, //, II,
gses. I am a professor at The University of Akron and a textbook author. I
got into the Apple game with a //+ to comunicate with my son (an EE whose moth
er and I are divorced). Since then I moved to a Laser 128 (money) and then the
gs (a WOZ) because the word processor I use (Gutenberg) was expanding to that
venue. I got the second GS two years ago, just before rom 3 (I know there isn'
t a 2) so that I could print and write at the same time. I have watched the gs
software decrease (it never was huge) and (based on a email letter today with
software for $5) wonder it maybe PIRATING isn't the answer. Don't flame me
because I doubt that there is one of you out there (and you can't prove it)
who hasn't copied/backedup/archived a piece of software. Even if it is share-
ware, it isn't fair. I think that there is more pirating of software for Apple
computers than for any other (I could be wrong and will stand corrected). If
the // line is to continue, it behooves (spelling?) of us to buy software, not
copy it. Support the programmers and they will support us. There has been
this plea from the guy who wrote XENOCIDE. Good game - I have seen it. I
won't buy it because I can do arcade type games. I like D&D (Dungeon Master)
is great and am working my way through THE IMORTAL. I love the games from
CINEMAWARE and have them all (but the three stooges sucks). Okay, off the
soapbox but with two questions: Why is AE dropping support (I think I just
just bought the last slot mover in existance). By the way I have a GSramplus
with 3 megs, ramkeeper, a sound board I don't remember the name of. and a 60
meg sider hard drive. Oh, yes, the big thing I wanted to say is that of all
the computer stuff I have and some of it is non-Apple, the most trouble free
is the Apple stuff. I would pay more to have it work and last. question 2
What is the deal on the MAC tradein (do they take //+?)
"Sometimes the Dragon Wins"MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET (04/09/91)
[reply to reasons not to pirate software because it hurts II sales]. I have to agree that pirating is illegal, but that is definitely NOT what is causing the demise of the Apple II. It's Apple Computer themselves. Although, I'm not condoning piracy, but it IS what got the Apple II popular in the first place. Back in the late '70s and early '80s when no one thought twice about copying a game, games were floating around EVERYWHERE. That's why so many Apple II's were sold. Everybody wanted a game machine with free games. That's how I got my first computer (hey, I was 12, okay). Many of my friends got an Apple II for the very same reason. Lately, piracy has dropped drastically (at least, from what I can tell). It's still going on... ALOT, but no where near as much as it used to. The Apple II is no more prone to piracy than IBMs, Commodores, Amigas, etc. It's not piracy that's hurting the Apple II. Piracy helps a computer, but it also HURTS Software companies. Software companies haven't stopped supporting the Apple II because of piracy, they've stopped supporting it because Apple computer, thenselves, won't support it. If the manufacturer of a computer won't support it's own machine, then software companies see no reason for them to support it because, obviously , the manufacturer is trying to phase out the computer and the softare companies think they won't make money supporting an almost dead computer. It's definitely NOT piracy that's hurting the Apple II. It's Apple Computer. Disclaimer:I'M NOT CONDONING PIRACY. I'M JUST STATING THE FACTS AS THEY APPEAR. ---------------------------------------- BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm <------------send files here pro-line-- mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com