devernay@POLY.POLYTECHNIQUE.FR (Devernay Frederic) (04/05/91)
Where do I get the last version of the prodos8 system. I've got an old ][+ and I'm still in prodos 1.0.1, so please tell me? What is better in the new version? I read somewhere that the last version of p8 system disk is 3.2. Could you send it to me (shrinked and binsciied)? Thank you. Frederic Devernay devernay@poly.polytechnique.fr
kjs39186@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kent Squires) (04/06/91)
devernay@POLY.POLYTECHNIQUE.FR (Devernay Frederic) writes: > > Where do I get the last version of the prodos8 system. I've got an old > ][+ and I'm still in prodos 1.0.1, so please tell me? > What is better in the new version? > I read somewhere that the last version of p8 system disk is 3.2. > Could you send it to me (shrinked and binsciied)? > > Thank you. > > Frederic Devernay > devernay@poly.polytechnique.fr ProDOS 8 is up to version 1.9, Basic.System is up to version 1.4.1.
aford@pro-mansion.cts.com (Adam Ford) (04/08/91)
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You will need at least 64k to run most ProDOS 8 files. If you don't have
that much, then 1.0.1 is the only version you can run (except 1.0)
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shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) (04/08/91)
In article <8438@crash.cts.com> aford@pro-mansion.cts.com (Adam Ford) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from devernay@POLY.POLYTECHNIQUE.FR > >You will need at least 64k to run most ProDOS 8 files. If you don't have >that much, then 1.0.1 is the only version you can run (except 1.0) Huh? ProDOS 8 has always required 64k to run. If you have a II+, then you will need the extra 16k language card to give you the 64k necessary to run P8. andy -- Andy Nicholas GEnie & America-Online: shrinkit Apple IIGS System Software CompuServe: 70771,2615 Apple Computer, Inc. InterNET: shrinkit@apple.com
alfter@nevada.edu (SCOTT ALFTER) (04/09/91)
In article <51288@apple.Apple.COM> shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes: >Huh? ProDOS 8 has always required 64k to run. According to _Beneath_Apple_ProDOS_, the earliest versions of ProDOS (we're talking 1.0.1 and maybe 1.0.2) would work on 48K systems. However, due to memory conflicts, you couldn't use BASIC.SYSTEM on a 48K system. My IIe started out with 128K, though, so I've never checked to see if ProDOS really would boot into 128K. Scott Alfter-----------------------------_/_---------------------------- Support Operation Apple Storm! / v \ Apple II: Internet: alfter@uns-helios.nevada.edu ( ( the power to be your best! GEnie: S.ALFTER \_^_/
alfter@nevada.edu (SCOTT ALFTER) (04/09/91)
Sorry about that slip in my last post; it should've read "I've never checked to see if ProDOS really would boot into 48K." Devastating physics exam. Brain fry. Need I say more? :-( Scott Alfter-----------------------------_/_---------------------------- Support Operation Apple Storm! / v \ Apple II: Internet: alfter@uns-helios.nevada.edu ( ( the power to be your best! GEnie: S.ALFTER \_^_/
tabn9@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU (04/09/91)
In article <51288@apple.Apple.COM>, shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes: >In article <8438@crash.cts.com> aford@pro-mansion.cts.com (Adam Ford) writes: > >>In-Reply-To: message from devernay@POLY.POLYTECHNIQUE.FR >> >>You will need at least 64k to run most ProDOS 8 files. If you don't have >>that much, then 1.0.1 is the only version you can run (except 1.0) > >Huh? ProDOS 8 has always required 64k to run. If you have a II+, then you >will need the extra 16k language card to give you the 64k necessary to run >P8. > >andy Actually, I read that you can run the earliest ProDOS version (1.0.1) on a 48k system. However, you cannot run the BASIC.SYSTEM interpreter with only 48k. To run the BASIC interpreter, you will have to have the full 64k! Tony Neyens, a student at Iowa State University (TABN9@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU or TABN9@ISUVAX.BITNET)
phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker) (04/09/91)
In article <51288@apple.Apple.COM>, shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes: > In article <8438@crash.cts.com> aford@pro-mansion.cts.com (Adam Ford) writes: > >>In-Reply-To: message from devernay@POLY.POLYTECHNIQUE.FR >> >>You will need at least 64k to run most ProDOS 8 files. If you don't have >>that much, then 1.0.1 is the only version you can run (except 1.0) > > Huh? ProDOS 8 has always required 64k to run. If you have a II+, then you > will need the extra 16k language card to give you the 64k necessary to run > P8. > > andy Actually there was mention in early ProDOS 8 documentation that it would run on a 48K II, but Basic.System would not. Off hand I don't know whether this made it in any of the release versions, but Adam may well be right about version 1.0 without looking at old references I don't have at hand. It might not have made it even this far but just been implemented on beta versions. I hope someone has the early references handy and can check on this. -- Stephen Harker phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au Monash University Baloney baffles brains: Eric Frank Russell
jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) (04/09/91)
shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes: >In article <8438@crash.cts.com> aford@pro-mansion.cts.com (Adam Ford) writes: >>In-Reply-To: message from devernay@POLY.POLYTECHNIQUE.FR >> >>You will need at least 64k to run most ProDOS 8 files. If you don't have >>that much, then 1.0.1 is the only version you can run (except 1.0) >Huh? ProDOS 8 has always required 64k to run. If you have a II+, then you >will need the extra 16k language card to give you the 64k necessary to run >P8. BZZZZZZTTTTT!!! Thank you for playing! (Always wanted to do that ;-) Versions of ProDOS prior to version 1.1 would load and run on a 48K ][+ I did some of my first program development with ProDOS 1.0.1 and loading into a 48K machine is a feature I miss very much. You would be surprised just how many ][+'s there are out there that don't even have a language card. For more info on the differences in versions of ProDOS 8, check out ProDOS technote #23. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey T. Berntsen | Looking for a good .sig jeffb@world.std.com | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) (04/10/91)
In article <1991Apr8.225221.19011@nevada.edu> alfter@nevada.edu (SCOTT ALFTER) writes: >>Huh? ProDOS 8 has always required 64k to run. > >According to _Beneath_Apple_ProDOS_, the earliest versions of ProDOS >(we're talking 1.0.1 and maybe 1.0.2) would work on 48K systems. >However, due to memory conflicts, you couldn't use BASIC.SYSTEM on a >48K system. You could always do this, but I seriously doubt that you're going to find any applications at all that will run if you put the prodos kernel down in the lower 48K. For all intents and purposes (if you want to run an already written program and aren't doing things yourself), it's worthless to move the kernel anywhere. andy -- Andy Nicholas GEnie & America-Online: shrinkit Apple IIGS System Software CompuServe: 70771,2615 Apple Computer, Inc. InterNET: shrinkit@apple.com
edwatkeys@pro-sol.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) (04/11/91)
In-Reply-To: message from phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au I have the ProDOS Tech Ref from the beginning, and it had about thirty pages of notes with it. I don't have it in front of me, but this is what I remember... ProDOS 1.0 worked with 48K. Beneath Apple ProDOS by Worth and Lechner (sp?) showed how to load ProDOSinto the lower 48K, so you could dbug through ProDOS with Bugbyter (remember that thing?). ProDOS 1.1 also worked in 48K, but maybe I'm wrong about that... The notes (nicely typeset) that corrected the initial version of the proDOS tech ref said something like "1.0 could work in 48K, but we scraped the idea, so go out and get a 16K RAM card if you have a II+." These notes had/have the 64K memory maps, and said "disregard the 48K stuff; it won't work." To recap: 1.0 worked in 48K, but anything 1.1 or later won't. I say this because Apple's ProDOS Technical Reference Manual had the 48K info in it, but the corrections pages systematically told you to replace all references to ProDOS in 48K with 64K only information. I never got the ProDOS 1.4 update, so I've been using the old Apple reference and Beneath Apple ProDOS sinse 1985... Pretty sad... Copyright 1991 Edwin Howell Watkeys III Internet: edwatkeys@pro-sol.cts.com ProLine: edwatkeys@pro-sol UUCP: crash!pro-sol!edwatkeys ARPA: crash!pro-sol!edwatkeys@nosc.mil BitNET: edwatkeys%pro-sol.cts.com@nosc.mil
aford@pro-mansion.cts.com (Adam Ford) (04/11/91)
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My Technical Note specificly says that ProDOS 1.0 -> 1.0.1 CAN load on a
48k machine...Anything after that requires 64k...
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fadden@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Andy McFadden) (04/12/91)
In article <51372@apple.Apple.COM> shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes: >In article <1991Apr8.225221.19011@nevada.edu> alfter@nevada.edu (SCOTT ALFTER) writes: > >>>Huh? ProDOS 8 has always required 64k to run. >>According to _Beneath_Apple_ProDOS_, the earliest versions of ProDOS >>(we're talking 1.0.1 and maybe 1.0.2) would work on 48K systems. [ stuff Andy said deleted ] The Beta version of ProDOS did all sorts of interesting things. I think the neatest was that, if your program ran on to the hires page, it was relocated around it when an "HGR" command was reached. It also had some weird bugs involving inverse text... A lot of stuff got removed when the production version came out. I don't believe it works on 48K systems anymore... as Andy pointed out, it would be pretty useless unless you had a specific application in mind. >Andy Nicholas GEnie & America-Online: shrinkit -- fadden@cory.berkeley.edu (Andy McFadden) ..!ucbvax!cory!fadden fadden@hermes.berkeley.edu (when cory throws up)