[comp.sys.apple2] Help? Mail-order IIgs? IIgs Configuration?

lucas@cg-atla.UUCP (Dick Lucas) (04/26/91)

I've put together several IBM PC compatibles at reasonable cost by buying 
components (case, boards, drives, monitor, etc) from mail order sources, 
and am comfortable and confident with this approach.  Now I've been asked 
to help a family obtain an Apple IIgs system for a learning disabled member,
without having to take out a mortgage on it.  Looking around at a local dealer
suggests that a price tag of $1800 would apply to a system with a color 
monitor, and no printer.  That's quite a bit more than the family would like 
to spend.

Is the mail-order approach feasible with the IIgs, and if so, can someone
provide names and addresses of mail order dealers that have proven to be
reliable? 

Could someone recommend a configuration that would be adequate (but not
overkill) for running children's software?  In particular, the "Sticky Bear"
series and similar software is what would be running.  The child is currently
using this type of software in school.  At this time it appears unlikely 
that the system would be used for much of anything else.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
		
Dick Lucas     lucas@cg-atla.agfa.com

express@pro-grouch.cts.com (Jeff Goodman) (04/27/91)

In-Reply-To: message from lucas@cg-atla.UUCP

You might want to take a look at the Laser 128, all of the "Sticky Bear"
series of software, that I know of will run on the laser.  If you need
speach, I think the Echo IIc will work for the Laser 128, I'm not sure
though someone else may be able to fill you in on that.  The price tag for
the Laser is somewhat below $500, or at least in the area, including color
monitor.

THROOP@GRIN1.BITNET ("Throop,Henry B") (04/28/91)

[Dick Lucas asks where to get a gs]

If all you're planning on using is the Stickeybear programs, a gs is really
overkill, because Stickeybear doesn't use the features of the gs (graphics,
sound, speed, etc.)  You might be better getting something like a Laser 128
(~$500 including 5.25" drive (built in) and color monitor) or finding a used
Apple //e or //c.

Henry
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alb@cognos.UUCP (Al Belyea) (04/28/91)

You can assemble a less expensive GS system thru mail order. Pick up a copy
of A+/Incider magazine - its got lots of mail order ads. Some of the ads
have IIGS CPUs, but I'm not sure if they're grey market or not. However, you 
can really save on peripherals from 3rd party companies. Quality Computers
have a very good reputation as a mail-order company. I've also dealt with 
Programs Plus and had no problems.

So, pick up a ROM 03 GS cpu (the current production model) which gets you the
cpu with 1 Meg RAM on the motherboard, the keyboard and the mouse. You can
save a bundle on the RGB monitor by getting a Magnavox (not sure of the model#)
that some of the m.o. companies sell. For a 3.5" drive pick up the Applied
Engineering 800K drive, there are lots of cheap 5.25 drives around too. The only
other thing you may want is a memory board, but if it'll only be used for the
kid's software, most of it should run on the stock 1 MEG system.

Alternatively you can find some really good deals on used systems these days.
Try and find a local store that knows and supports the II series (there seems 
to be less and less of them these days) and ask around. I've seen some really
cheap systems for sale (ie 2 Meg, 40MB hard drive, add-in cards, software) for
about $1500 or less.

Good luck.


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unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (04/29/91)

In article <9104281557.AA19814@apple.com> THROOP@GRIN1.BITNET ("Throop,Henry B") writes:
>[Dick Lucas asks where to get a gs]
>
>If all you're planning on using is the Stickeybear programs, a gs is really
>overkill, because Stickeybear doesn't use the features of the gs (graphics,

	Aren't there GS specific versions of the Stickybear programs?? 
I thought there were, and there are also McGee and that-girl on the Farm
programs that're GS specific that apparently are very popular, from what I
read. 
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sysadmin@pnet91.cts.com (Matthew Montano) (04/29/91)

> Apple has been allowing the GS to be sold through mail order for some time
> now. 

Nope. Apple's Trans-Shipping Rules (long AND complex) clearly state (once
completely translated) that mail-order selling of product is STRICLY
PROHIBITED. Such mail-order IIgs's are the real thing.. But the retailer would
definitely NOT BE AUTHORIZED BY APPLE COMPUTER INC. to sell the product in a
mail order fashion.

Though things are QUICKLY changing..

Apple I think for the most part simply looks the other way with a lot of
products..

;-)

Matthew
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garyd@wind55.seri.gov (Gary Derochers) (04/30/91)

There are now I thin three "Sticky Bear" programs that work on the 
IIGS.  My kid uses one called Sticky Bear Talking alphabet and loves
it.  So this one and at least two others use the IIgs very well.