prophet@oxy.edu (Dale Bruce LaFountain) (05/11/91)
Howdy. I just downloaded Amdos from the binaries, and proceeded to make a 3.5 disk with two 400k partitions. Then I realized that I don't have any Dos 3.3-based copy programs here. I have Copy II Plus v8.3 and v9.0, but neither of them recognize my Amdos disk as being a Dos3.3 hybrid. Does anyone have or information leading me to a shareware file copier in Dos 3.3? I know that I can probably use BLOAD and BSAVE etc. to move the files, but a copier would make my life much easier. I have checked out most of the popular ftp sites, but I didn't find anything that looked helpful. Thanks for any info in advance, Dale LaFountain prophet@cub.oxy.edu prophet@oxy.edu
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (05/12/91)
In art <166433@tiger.oxy.edu> prophet@oxy.edu (Dale Bruce LaFountain) writes: >Howdy. I just downloaded Amdos from the binaries, and proceeded to make >a 3.5 disk with two 400k partitions. Then I realized that I don't have >any Dos 3.3-based copy programs here. I have Copy II Plus v8.3 and v9.0, >but neither of them recognize my Amdos disk as being a Dos3.3 hybrid. I realize this does not answer your question, but it may provide you help in getting files copied to a DOS 3.3 clone on 3.5" drives. UniDOS, which I believe is provided with ProSEL, does the same thing that AMdos does. It also comes with a specially modified FID (FUD?) that copies from regular DOS 3.3 disks to the UniDOS partitions. UniDOS is by Glen Bredon as you can probably tell from my reference to ProSEL. -- /unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! unknown@cats.ucsc.edu\ |WANT to help get ULTIMA VI //e or GS written?-mail me. CHEAP CD info-mail me.| \ It's a Late Night World.... Of Love /
daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Huang) (05/13/91)
In article <15684@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >UniDOS is by Glen Bredon as you can probably tell from my reference to >ProSEL. I think DOS Master is by Glen Bredon, and Mindcraft (Nibble Magazine) publishes UniDOS... Don't the docs for AmDos have instructions for patching FID? >/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! unknown@cats.ucsc.edu\ >|WANT to help get ULTIMA VI //e or GS written?-mail me. CHEAP CD info-mail me.| >\ It's a Late Night World.... Of Love / -- David Huang | Internet: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | "Help! My ganglion is UUCP: ...!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!daveh | stuck in some chewing gum!" America Online: DrWho29 |
ART100@psuvm.psu.edu (Andy Tefft) (05/13/91)
In article <48875@ut-emx.uucp>, daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Huang) says: > >In article <15684@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) >writes: >Don't the docs for AmDos have instructions for >patching FID? Yep, and they seem to work (boy, hard to get used to using that \ FID thing... :-)), but this won't help the original poster much at all if he doesn't have FID in the first place. | The problem here is FID is pretty much essential in this case, since dos 3.3 is missing some of the useful file-handling capabilities of prodos that would make writing a copy program a non-difficult task (i.e. mli calls or the B and T parameters) and copy II+ and similar programs don't recognize a 3.5" disk with AMDOS on it. One could probably find a copy of FID (or possibly some other dos 3.3 file copying program) or even an entire dos 3.3 system master in the ancient part of a user group's library. The legality of giving out copies of dos 3.3 system software is a question, though.
daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Huang) (05/13/91)
In article <91133.102017ART100@psuvm.psu.edu> ART100@psuvm.psu.edu (Andy Tefft) writes: >Yep, and they seem to work (boy, hard to get used to using that >FID thing... :-)), but this won't help the original poster >much at all if he doesn't have FID in the first place. Ah, I was assuming that if you need AmDOS, you've got DOS 3.3 (and the associated utilities). After all, why go back to DOS 3.3 when you're already using ProDOS? :-) -- David Huang | Internet: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | "Help! My ganglion is UUCP: ...!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!daveh | stuck in some chewing gum!" America Online: DrWho29 |
Andy Tefft <ART100@psuvm.psu.edu> (05/14/91)
In article <48914@ut-emx.uucp>, daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Huang) says: > >Ah, I was assuming that if you need AmDOS, you've got DOS 3.3 (and the >associated utilities). After all, why go back to DOS 3.3 when you're >already using ProDOS? :-) Well, I suppose a reasonable situation would be someone who bought their first Apple sometime around the birth of the //c, it came with prodos, but they still acquired some dos 3.3 disks (Prodos didn't exactly take over all at once), just no system master. Not too hard to imagine..
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (05/14/91)
In article <91133.102017ART100@psuvm.psu.edu> ART100@psuvm.psu.edu (Andy Tefft) writes: >One could probably find a copy of FID (or possibly some other dos 3.3 >file copying program) or even an entire dos 3.3 system master in >the ancient part of a user group's library. The legality of giving >out copies of dos 3.3 system software is a question, though. You mean everyone doesn't still have a Dos 3.3 System Master disk? <mumble mumble> Oh, you say there are people who started using the computer after ProDOS was invented? You younguns really have it easy... When I was little, we had to boot DOS 3.3 off of piddly little 140K disks.. in the snow.. in our bare feet... Oh.. ugg.. that's a different story... heh heh hehh.. (Now someone's going to reply and talk about using punch cards, huh??) -- /unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! unknown@cats.ucsc.edu\ |WANT to help get ULTIMA VI //e or GS written?-mail me. CHEAP CD info-mail me.| \ It's a Late Night World.... Of Love /
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (05/14/91)
In article <48914@ut-emx.uucp> daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Huang) writes: >Ah, I was assuming that if you need AmDOS, you've got DOS 3.3 (and the >associated utilities). After all, why go back to DOS 3.3 when you're >already using ProDOS? :-) Yeah I know you're joking.. But despite the many cool things that'll only run under DOS 3.3, I always liked DOS 3.3's less stringent filename rules. Big long names with spaces and such. -- /unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! unknown@cats.ucsc.edu\ |WANT to help get ULTIMA VI //e or GS written?-mail me. CHEAP CD info-mail me.| \ It's a Late Night World.... Of Love /
george@endeavor.intel.com (George L. Rachor Jr.) (05/14/91)
Some of use didn't even have drives to boot with... I had my Apple ][ plus 3 years before getting a disk drive. Now before somebody says it I did my share of toggling in code from the monitor or front panel. The cassette interface was wonderful! George Rachor Jr. Intel Corporation Hillsboro, OR 97124 george@endeavor.hf.intel.com
tsang@sturgeon.cs.washington.edu (Donald Tsang) (05/14/91)
In article <> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: >In article <> ART100@psuvm.psu.edu (Andy Tefft) writes: >>One could probably find a copy of FID (or possibly some other dos 3.3 >>file copying program) or even an entire dos 3.3 system master in >>the ancient part of a user group's library. The legality of giving >>out copies of dos 3.3 system software is a question, though. > >You mean everyone doesn't still have a Dos 3.3 System Master disk? >[stuff deleted] > You younguns really have it easy... When I was little, we >had to boot DOS 3.3 off of piddly little 140K disks.. in the snow.. >in our bare feet... Oh.. ugg.. that's a different story... >(Now someone's going to reply and talk about using punch cards, huh??) ------------------------- begin reminiscence -------------------------- Not quite... but DOS 3.2, where there were 13 and not 16 sectors per track. 114K disks. And we had Apple II's, not Apple II+'s, and we were lucky because most of them had Applesoft cards and a respectable 32K. Some of them even had the full 48K on the motherboard. Then we (the Junior High school) got this neat Apple II+, with a Language Card and DOS 3.3 capability (anyone remember the BOOT13 program, or the BASICS disk?), along with UCSD P-Code PASCAL! And a whopping 64K of RAM, more than any other computer we had! We dreamed of having Apple ///'s, with dual 6502's, and SOS, with PASCAL and Business BASIC, as well as Applesoft and Integer BASIC in Apple II(+) Emulation Mode. And a neat box, with a drive and extended keyboard built in. In those days, 5.25" disks cost $5 each at Computerland, with student discount, and I had *two* of them (one side of one of them was DOS 3.3, and had the apple-16 sticker on it). Ah, those were the days... when games like Alien Typhoon were hot... -------------------------- end reminiscence --------------------------- ------------------------- begin useful stuff -------------------------- But ya know... Copy II Plus and the //e, //c, and //gs System Utilities have DOS 3.3 capability. Additionally, the Apple products can read UCSD P-System files, so you can edit your old Wizardry files... If you still have DOS 3.2 files, though, you need MUFFIN from the old DOS 3.3 System Master disk, or Copy II Plus, Version 4.2 or earlier. Donald Tsang tsang@cs.washington.edu
Andy Tefft <ART100@psuvm.psu.edu> (05/14/91)
In article <1991May13.233011.26732@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, tsang@sturgeon.cs.washington.edu (Donald Tsang) says: > >If you still have DOS 3.2 files, though, you need MUFFIN from the old >DOS 3.3 System Master disk, or Copy II Plus, Version 4.2 or earlier. I had/have a disk that called itself 'dos 3.3.2' which was really neat in that you could switch between dos 3.3 and 3.2 with an ampersand command from applesoft. Easier for converting basic programs!