crew.wicklein@pro-midnightex.cts.com (Chris Wicklein) (04/27/91)
Has anyone had a GS for several years, and left it on * alot *? I've had mine since summer, and often will use it from 4PM to midnight, then leave it on all night as an alarm clock, using a little ProDOS MLI call to get the time and boot SoundSmith at 4AM. This is 12 hours a day it's on, although I'm not actively using it all that time. I'm curios how good this is for it. ---- ProLine: crew.wicklein@pro-midnightex Internet: crew.wicklein@pro-midnightex.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-midnightex!crew.wicklein ARPA: crash!pro-midnightex!crew.wicklein@nosc.mil
2hnemarrow@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (04/27/91)
In article <8870@crash.cts.com>, crew.wicklein@pro-midnightex.cts.com (Chris Wicklein) writes: > > Has anyone had a GS for several years, and left it on * alot *? I've had > mine since summer, and often will use it from 4PM to midnight, then leave > it on all night as an alarm clock, using a little ProDOS MLI call to get > the time and boot SoundSmith at 4AM. This is 12 hours a day it's on, > although I'm not actively using it all that time. I'm curios how good this > is for it. Mine was on all summer, and I know Bloom County BBS is run on a IIgs. It's probably best to have a fan though. BTW, why don't you upload your little ProDOS MLI call somwhere; like maybe comp.binaries.apple2. (it doesn't have to be pretty.) -- _____________________________________________________________________________ And, Harry, who are you to judge me? -- Andy Nichols: 1991 -- also: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Barabas: ~A.D. 35 and 2hnemarrow@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Hirohito: 1946 PPark@volta.ece.ukans.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Christopher Robin at Bloom County BBS, Dearborn, MI: 313-582-0888 It's ruined, Tigger -- ruined! Oh why don't you ever stop bouncing? --Rabbit
bazyar@ernie (Jawaid Bazyar) (04/28/91)
In article <8870@crash.cts.com> crew.wicklein@pro-midnightex.cts.com (Chris Wicklein) writes: > Has anyone had a GS for several years, and left it on * alot *? I've had >mine since summer, and often will use it from 4PM to midnight, then leave >it on all night as an alarm clock, using a little ProDOS MLI call to get >the time and boot SoundSmith at 4AM. This is 12 hours a day it's on, >although I'm not actively using it all that time. I'm curios how good this >is for it. I ran a BBS. My GS was on 24 hours a day for many months at a time. In fact, even though I'm no longer running a BBS, I'm used to Unix now, and dislike rebooting unless absolutely necessary. I've never had a hardware failure of any kind in my GS. I do however have an Apple internal fan (which works very well and costs half what the stupid Kensington ripoff fan does). The rule for computer equipment is generally that the less you power on and off (a big shock to a system), the longer it will last. Silicon doesn't "wear out". Similar to the fact that 90% of auto engine wear is incurred while starting the engine- when the oil is in the pan and NOT lubricating anything. To summarize- leaving it on doesn't hurt it, and might even help it some. -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Senior/Computer Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be priviliged to pay me! :-)
mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz) (04/28/91)
In article <8870@crash.cts.com> crew.wicklein@pro-midnightex.cts.com (Chris Wicklein) writes: > > Has anyone had a GS for several years, and left it on * alot *? I've had >mine since summer, and often will use it from 4PM to midnight, then leave >it on all night as an alarm clock, using a little ProDOS MLI call to get >the time and boot SoundSmith at 4AM. This is 12 hours a day it's on, >although I'm not actively using it all that time. I'm curios how good this >is for it. Chris, My father once pointed out an interestin business magazine article that stated it is actually better to leave the machine running all the time! The power drain is low (of course you really don't need the monitor if you're just using the speaker, right??) and the article said that the machine should last longer if used in this fashion.. why?? because of the delicate circuitry, the author argued that you cause less wear and tear when you leave the computer on if you are going to be using if for long periods of time... I also read in the Apple Hard drive documentation (I didn't buy one, we got one at work) that it is okay to leave it on for extended periods of time, although they suggest not leaving it on if you will not be using it for 24 hours or so... I think that hard drives are able to keep up to speed better than being "brought up" to speed all the time... Hope this helps! Mike
j0p7771@sigma.tamu.edu (PEREZ, JASON) (04/28/91)
In article <1991Apr27.174127.14781@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, you write... > I've never had a hardware failure of any kind in my GS. I do however >have an Apple internal fan (which works very well and costs half what the >stupid Kensington ripoff fan does). > >Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to That's not exactly a fair comparison. The System Saver fan is larger and the Saver comes with a four-outlet suppressor, with two activation switches. And it looks nice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bitnet : J0P7771@TAMSIGMA | "Frodo Lives !!" Internet: J0P7771@sigma.tamu.edu | "Don't have a cow man! J0P7771@venus.tamu.edu Jason Perez -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
marks@pro-shop.cts.com (System Administrator) (04/28/91)
In-Reply-To: message from crew.wicklein@pro-midnightex.cts.com > Has anyone had a GS for several years, and left it on * alot *? I've had > mine since summer, and often will use it from 4PM to midnight, then leave > it on all night as an alarm clock, using a little ProDOS MLI call to get > the time and boot SoundSmith at 4AM. This is 12 hours a day it's on, > although I'm not actively using it all that time. I'm curios how good this > is for it. Actually, the hardest thing you can do to ANY electrical device is TURN IT ON. That first surge of power is the greatest shock it will feel on a routine day. I leave mine on 24 hours a day to run the BBS. The hard drive went about 5 months ago, the monitor went about 9 months ago, (had a bad year...) but the CPU keeps on ticking. The best advice I can give you is to use a cooling fan, and turn off the monitor if you don't need it. It runs very hot. The internal (or external) speaker will still work if that is how you have the alarm hooked up. Oh, and another thing you will gain is battery life. If you don't turn the CPU off, the battery will last MUCH longer because you don't use it to maintain the system while it is off. Oh, my system is 4 years old -- Mark ---- ProLine: marks@pro-shop UUCP: crash!pro-shop!marks Internet: marks@pro-shop.cts.com ARPANet: crash!pro-shop!marks@nosc.mil [ Pro-Shop BBS (717)945-5448 / Scranton, Pa. ]
alb@cognos.UUCP (Al Belyea) (04/28/91)
I've had my GS for a number of years and for the last 2 or 3, I've left it on all the time. I have a Kensington System Saver, with the Hard drive and monitor plugged into the AUX switch, wth the CPU plugged into the MASTER switch. When I'm done with it I do a cold shutdown and use the AUX switch to turn off the hard drive and monitor. The CPU and the fan stay on all the time. I haven't had any problems at all and I've got a fairly loaded system (4 Meg, TWGS, stereo card, Quickie, VOC, AE heavy duty power supply). The only thing is that every once in awhile, I'll power it down completely to vacuum out the innards. The constant fan pulls in a lot of dust etc. From what I've heard, the power up sequence is hard on electronic components. Providing power to them all the time is supposed to be better for them over the long term. Also, battery should last a long time. -- Allan Belyea UUCP: 3755 Riverside Dr. Cognos Incorporated alb@cognos P.O. Box 9707 (613) 738-1338 x3822 uunet!mitel!cunews!cognos!alb Ottawa, Ontario "... when in a Desparate situation, challenge." Sun Tzu CANADA K1G 3Z4
MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET (04/29/91)
On Sat, 27 Apr 91 17:41:27 GMT Jawaid Bazyar said: > I've never had a hardware failure of any kind in my GS. I do however >have an Apple internal fan (which works very well and costs half what the >stupid Kensington ripoff fan does). Well, the Kensington fan is a little more than a fan (If you're talking about the Kensington System Save IIGS). It's a fan, PLUS, a surge suppressor, plus four back mounted power, grounded, sockets, plus, front mounted, lit, power button, and front mounted, lit, auxilery power switch. ---------------------------------------- BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm <------------send files here pro-line-- mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com
alfter@nevada.edu (SCOTT ALFTER) (04/29/91)
I don't know why your usage would be a strain on the system. Remember, most BBSes (though not mine) are online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week! Scott Alfter-----------------------------_/_---------------------------- Call the Skunk Works BBS (702) 896-2676 / v \ 6 PM-6 AM 300/1200/2400 Internet: alfter@uns-helios.nevada.edu ( ( Apple II: GEnie: S.ALFTER \_^_/ the power to be your best!
kms@pro-permian.cts.com (Kevin M. Smallwood) (04/30/91)
In-Reply-To: message from bazyar@ernie
My Apple IIgs has been running constantly* since 1987. 90% of this
use has been from running a bbs of some sort. I've never had a power
failure, or monitor failure of any kind. I have a lot of cards inside the
case, but I use two fans (the internal Apple fan and a Kensington System
Saver IIgs). I don't know if having two fans helps, but I can't see it
hurting!
Kevin
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America Online : kms2 : (915) 520-3011 (Voice)drudman@hpcc01.HP.COM (Drew Rudman) (05/02/91)
I run my BBS off of my GS so it is on 24 hrs a day. There are a lot of systems out there that do this. I think the only detriment is to the hard drive which has a rated cycle life - the longer it is on, the less life it will have. I believe leaving the computer componetry on all the time is actually a GOOD thing - constantly altering the electronic state of a machine with a lot of off/on uses probably isn't as healthy. The additional bonus is that I have had my GS for 5 or 6 years now and I have yet to replace the original battery! [ Call... 9600bps/60meg ][ Drew Rudman ] [ The Charge ][ ] [ Apple ][ IBM ][ Usenet: drudman@hpiosa.corp.hp.com ] [ (415) 321-4713 ][ The Charge BBS: Axe Slinger (#1) ]
drudman@hpcc01.HP.COM (Drew Rudman) (05/07/91)
Not to mention that the internal GS fan consumes 2 slots. [ Call... 9600bps/60meg ][ Drew Rudman ] [ The Charge ][ ] [ Apple ][ IBM ][ Internet: drudman@hpiosa.corp.hp.com ] [ (415) 321-4713 ][ The Charge BBS: Axe Slinger (#1) ]
mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (05/10/91)
In article <1520021@hpcc01.HP.COM> drudman@hpcc01.HP.COM (Drew Rudman) writes: >Not to mention that the internal GS fan consumes 2 slots. > Wrong, thanks for playing. The internal IIgs fan "consumes" _no_ slots - it draws power from the fan connector on the back of the motherboard near the power supply. The internal fan *does* sit in front of slots 1-3, which is why the IIgs Peripheral Card Specifications (Apple IIgs Technical Note #28, October 1987) says and has _always_ said cards designed for slots 1-3 should be no longer than 7 inches. -- ============================================================================ Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical | The opinions expressed herein are Support, Apple Computer, Inc. | not those of Apple Computer, and Personal mail only, please. Thanks. | shame on you for thinking otherwise. ============================================================================
philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) (05/10/91)
In article <1520021@hpcc01.HP.COM> drudman@hpcc01.HP.COM (Drew Rudman) writes: >Not to mention that the internal GS fan consumes 2 slots. The Cirtech fan (you can order it from A2-Central) is quiet and does not consume 2 slots. It is an internal one. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto
gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (05/11/91)
In article <1520021@hpcc01.HP.COM> drudman@hpcc01.HP.COM (Drew Rudman) writes: >Not to mention that the internal GS fan consumes 2 slots. While there is not room for LONG cards, short ones fit just fine. The internal fan's biggest problems are (a) noise and (b) noise. (Two kinds of "noise" here.)
daveharv@pro-novapple.cts.com (Dave Harvey-SysAdmin) (05/15/91)
In-Reply-To: message from mattd@Apple.COM >The internal fan *does* sit in front of slots 1-3, which is why the IIgs >Peripheral Card Specifications (Apple IIgs Technical Note #28, October 1987) >says and has _always_ said cards designed for slots 1-3 should be no longer >than 7 inches. That's all well and good, but what if you decide to use AppleTalk on a ROM 01 machine and have a hard disk. In some documentation I've seen, possibably Apple's, they suggest putting the hard drive in slot 1. I haven't seen any controller cards that were 7 inches or less. The only other alternative is to stick the card in slot 6 thereby doing away with using 5 1/4" drives unless you get a card for the 5 1/4" drive and stick *it* in slot 1. proline: pro-novapple!daveharv | uucp: crash!pnet01!pro-novapple!daveharv | Pro-novapple BBS arpa: crash!pnet01!pro-novapple!daveharv@nosc.mil | 300/1200/2400/9600 Baud Internet: daveharv@pro-novapple.cts.com | 703-671-0416 | Northern Virginia Apple Users Group | P.O. Box 8211, Falls Church, VA 22041 |