tnab0@isuvax.iastate.edu (ALLAN) (05/10/91)
Anyone know of a GS/OS term prog that works as good as ProTerm? AWGS
communications pretty much sucks...
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In article <1991May10.002326.19766@news.iastate.edu> tnab0@isuvax.iastate.edu writes: >Anyone know of a GS/OS term prog that works as good as ProTerm? AWGS >communications pretty much sucks... You might want to try Jawaid Bazyar's Modem Mangager (aka Telcom Program of the Gods). One of the only things it won't do, that Proterm does is that it doesn't have Macros. It does do Proterm Special (read: whoopee! ;-) now, though. It's shareware, so support Jawaid's efforts! > M1 Abrams | ---- Slayer | -Scott -- = R. Scott Henderson = main () = = University of Illinois = { = = scotth@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu = printf ("hello,world\n"); = = Apple II Forever! = } =
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (05/10/91)
In article <1991May10.002326.19766@news.iastate.edu> tnab0@isuvax.iastate.edu writes: >Anyone know of a GS/OS term prog that works as good as ProTerm? AWGS >communications pretty much sucks... Could you please explain to me why you need a GS specific (what you mean by a "GS/OS term prog") program if ProTERM works well for you, as you seem to imply? ProTERM takes advantage of the GS's expanded memory.. What else do you need? The text screen is faster than the graphics screen anyway... I've only seen a few GS programs that scroll "quickly." Usually scrolling a text window is pretty slow, and that's bad in a term program when info is coming all the time.. I really really like ProTERM and have seen nothing as good as it (Ascii Express is a fairly far second, but way ahead of anything else, in my opinion).. Do you want a GS specific versions just so you can say it's GS specific? Please don't take my questions as rude or anything.. I honestly can't think of many useful things a GS specific terminal program could do that ProTERM can't.. (There's something Ascii Express did that ProTERM doesn't, which is character mapping.. like locking out {s when you have a noisy line almost eliminates you SEEING line noise.. it may appear on the other end though) Oh well, enough of that.. I'm just curious.. -- /unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! unknown@cats.ucsc.edu\ |WANT to help get ULTIMA VI //e or GS written?-mail me. CHEAP CD info-mail me.| \ It's a Late Night World.... Of Love /
mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (05/11/91)
In article <15622@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > >In article <1991May10.002326.19766@news.iastate.edu> tnab0@isuvax.iastate.edu writes: >>Anyone know of a GS/OS term prog that works as good as ProTerm? AWGS >>communications pretty much sucks... > > Could you please explain to me why you need a GS specific (what you >mean by a "GS/OS term prog") program if ProTERM works well for you, as you >seem to imply? > > ProTERM takes advantage of the GS's expanded memory.. What else do >you need? The text screen is faster than the graphics screen anyway... I've only >seen a few GS programs that scroll "quickly." Usually scrolling a text window >is pretty slow, and that's bad in a term program when info is coming all the >time.. > >/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! unknown@cats.ucsc.edu\ I want a GS/OS version of ProTERM so I can use High Sierra and ISO 9660 CD-ROMs with it. When we release future FSTs (as we've said we will), I'd like to use them too. I'd like to use all my GS/OS devices and not just the ProDOS ones. I'd like the additional speed of GS/OS's file operations. I want to be able to access resource files directly from my file transfer and have ProTERM automatically turn them into AppleSingle Binary II files on the fly. I don't necessarily want a desktop version (although that would be cool), but I want a GS/OS based version. Unfortunately, Jerry Cline (inSync) seems to think that 98% of all IIgs owners only use GS/OS on special occasions like birthdays or Christmas, and that they boot into ProDOS 8 because all they ever run is ProTERM and AppleWorks. If you are a ProTERM customer and want a GS/OS version, write to inSync and tell them why. -- ============================================================================ Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical | The opinions expressed herein are Support, Apple Computer, Inc. | not those of Apple Computer, and Personal mail only, please. Thanks. | shame on you for thinking otherwise. ============================================================================
kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Dave Sim's Ugly Brother) (05/12/91)
In article <15622@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes: > >In article <1991May10.002326.19766@news.iastate.edu> tnab0@isuvax.iastate.edu writes: >>Anyone know of a GS/OS term prog that works as good as ProTerm? AWGS >>communications pretty much sucks... > > Could you please explain to me why you need a GS specific (what you >mean by a "GS/OS term prog") program if ProTERM works well for you, as you >seem to imply? Well, he wants a GO/OS app.... ProTERM does have problems. #1, the editor is FAR too small. I have 3.8Megs of scollback and only 40K of editor. Excuse me? That's just silly. #2, it does not support ansi characters. A GS/OS could use PC MONOSPACED and get the ANSI character set.... #3 It does not allow you access to your NDA's, so you cna;t have neat things like viewing a graphic as you download it. #4, It is prodos 8. Two partitions. 64 Megs max (you can get around this). #5, The Zmodem does not work, period. The Ymodem sends and expects a ProDOS header at all times, which means you do not get file info when downloading from a board with REAL ymodem. There are other things too... but this is enough for now. ProTERM is great and I like it, but it is seriously limited in many ways. -- | kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu |The Coven BBS (303) 777 2911 PCP via CODEN Stalr*nk too| |---------------------|100 Megs of storage. Areas for IBM/MAC/Apple. Games. | | Coming Soon: Zmodem, Supertac 7.0, HST 14.4K Modem! | | Currently Running on a PPI PM9600SA, V.32, V.42bis! |
SHBOUM@MACALSTR.EDU (05/12/91)
In a previous article, kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu writes: >>>Anyone know of a GS/OS term prog that works as good as ProTerm? AWGS >>>communications pretty much sucks... > >> Could you please explain to me why you need a GS specific (what you >>mean by a "GS/OS term prog") program if ProTERM works well for you, as you >>seem to imply? > >Well, he wants a GO/OS app.... ProTERM does have problems. #1, the editor >is FAR too small. I have 3.8Megs of scollback and only 40K of editor. Excuse >me? That's just silly. Yea, that is a drawback, but that has nothing to do with GS/OS. That decision was made by the programmers. Hopefully they'll let the users decide in 3.0 >#2, it does not support ansi characters. A GS/OS could use PC MONOSPACED and >get the ANSI character set.... Again, having ANSI has nothing to do with the application being GS/OS or not. Again, thats up to the programmers. >#3 It does not allow you access to your NDA's, so you cna;t have neat >things like viewing a graphic as you download it. Umm.. I've never heard of "viewing" pictures while you download them. Besides, even if this is an option, most of them {should be} are compressed by programs like ShrinkIt, and no picture viewer decompresses Shrinkit on the fly so..... Besides, except of when you are downloading, you still have access to your CDA's... But access to NDA's would be nice. > #4, It is prodos 8. Two partitions. 64 Megs max (you can get around this). Yes, ProTERM is ProDOS 8 dependant, and thats the drawback. However, from most of the points that you have mentioned, {even the next one}, most of your gripes come from deficincies in the program itself and not the operating system its running under. The only major reason why _I_ would want to have ProTERM as a GS/OS application is to be able to use the file system capabilites that GS/OS offers. Such as future FST's and large numbers of volumes. ProTERM really doesn't need much else. >#5, The Zmodem does not work, period. The Ymodem sends and expects a ProDOS >header at all times, which means you do not get file info when downloading >from a board with REAL ymodem. ZModem does not work PERIOD? If that was true, all the downloading I've done from our VAX and GEnie have been all a mirage. Granted, ProTERM's ZModem does have problems, its still my first choice when I'm downloading. I have had some problems with YModem at times, but ZModem has always been able to pick up where YModem has left off. Sure the file info may not get saved, but that is easily fixed. >There are other things too... but this is enough for now. ProTERM is great and >I like it, but it is seriously limited in many ways. I love ProTerm too, but all I want is the file system capablities of GS/OS and the file transfer protocols to be cleaned up a bit. - Hal | Hal Bouma | Send mail to: SHBoum@Macalstr.edu | | Macalester College | and SHBoum@Macalstr.Bitnet | | Coming this fall for the //GS: NBA! | GEnie : H.BOUMA |
daveharv@pro-novapple.cts.com (Dave Harvey-SysAdmin) (05/15/91)
In-Reply-To: message from mattd@Apple.COM >Unfortunately, Jerry Cline (inSync) seems to think that 98% of all IIgs >owners only use GS/OS on special occasions like birthdays or Christmas, >and that they boot into ProDOS 8 because all they ever run is >ProTERM and AppleWorks. >If you are a ProTERM customer and want a GS/OS version, >write to inSync and tell them why. Count me in as one of Jerry's 98% IIGS owners. I have very few GS/OS specific programs, mainly I guess because I haven't found anything that I like better than my ProDOS 8 programs. One factor I think that influences my opinion is that I've learned a particular program and if it meets my needs I don't want to take the time to learn another one that would offer only marginal improvements. I now use Publish IT!3, AppleWorks 3.0, ProTerm and Labels, Labels, Labels and of course, ProSel selector. The only reason I use GS/OS is because of the CDA and NDA's available and because I run AppleTalk to a printer. proline: pro-novapple!daveharv | uucp: crash!pnet01!pro-novapple!daveharv | Pro-novapple BBS arpa: crash!pnet01!pro-novapple!daveharv@nosc.mil | 300/1200/2400/9600 Baud Internet: daveharv@pro-novapple.cts.com | 703-671-0416 | Northern Virginia Apple Users Group | P.O. Box 8211, Falls Church, VA 22041 |
greg@hoss.unl.edu (Lig Lury Jr.) (05/17/91)
SHBOUM@MACALSTR.EDU writes: >kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu writes: >>ProTERM does have problems. #1, the editor >>is FAR too small. I have 3.8Megs of scollback and only 40K of editor. Excuse >>me? That's just silly. >Yea, that is a drawback. That >decision was made by the programmers. Hopefully they'll let the users decide >in 3.0 Yeah, it is an annoying limit. I often have large files to edit, and I don't like using AppleWorks anymore. Now if you could edit your scrollback, that would be better. >>#2, it does not support ansi characters. A GS/OS could use PC MONOSPACED and >>get the ANSI character set.... >having ANSI has nothing to do with the application being >GS/OS or not. Again, thats up to the programmers. In fact, ANSI has nothing to do with graphic characters. Those are native to the PC, as is MouseText to the Apple II series. Still, if you want color IBM text, you're going to have to depend on hardware, be it extra hardware on a //e, or be on a IIgs. >>#5, The Zmodem does not work, period. The Ymodem sends and expects a ProDOS >>header at all times, which means you do not get file info when downloading >>from a board with REAL ymodem. > ZModem does not work PERIOD? If that was true, all the downloading >I've done from our VAX and GEnie have been all a mirage. Granted, ProTERM's >ZModem does have problems, its still my first choice when I'm downloading. >I have had some problems with YModem at times, but ZModem has always been >able to pick up where YModem has left off. Sure the file info may not get >saved, but that is easily fixed. Too bad the setup here won't let me use Zmodem unless I have 8th-bit quoting ability, which ProTERM does not have. Everything seems designed to work with a connection to an Apple BBS, doesn't it. I guess you can expect that when one of the people behind ProTERM was also the author of GBBS. >>There are other things too... but this is enough for now. ProTERM is great >>and I like it, but it is seriously limited in many ways. There is still a problem with the scrollback and RAMdisks. ProTERM will now not overwrite a portion of the RAMdisk, but if it is using space about to be used by the RAMdisk, you get a disk error when you try to save. That is annoying. (To alleviate this problem, I had to up the minimum RAMdisk size, which I normally keep at 0K. Now its at 800K max & min. (Max so that it is easier to back up /RAM5.)) The emulations for VT-100 and ProTERM Special need work. Not all ^R sequences work, and ASCII Sends in VT-100 make trash of the scrollback. One thing that really gets me mad is one problem ProTERM has with its interrupts. I'm not talking about the things others have mentioned, just a specific case. For the record, I have a ROM 01 Apple IIgs, 1.25 MB RAM, DataLink 2400 modem connected at 2400. I have found that when an infinitum of ^Ms come to me over the line, my machine appears to lock up, excluding the sequence for control panel. I can't even use the apple key to call up the menu, much less send a break code or signal without inducing line noise. Scrolling the screen and receiving data seems to take all the CPU's attention, and thus it ignores me completely. When I go to the control panel, I see the standard phenomenon of loss of characters in the control panel. This version 3.0 had better fix these problems and more. >- Hal >| Hal Bouma | Send mail to: SHBoum@Macalstr.edu | >| Macalester College | and SHBoum@Macalstr.Bitnet | >| Coming this fall for the //GS: NBA! | GEnie : H.BOUMA | -- /// ____ \\\ Lig "By the way, what does teleport mean?" "Where | |/ / \ \| | Lury does it say teleport!" "Oh, right over here, just \\_|\____/|_// Jr. below the word Emergency, above the word `System', greg \_\\\/ hoss.unl.edu and next to a sign which says `Out of Order'."
gray@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle Gray) (05/19/91)
In article <26054.netnews.info.apple@pro-novapple> daveharv@pro-novapple.cts.com (Dave Harvey-SysAdmin) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from mattd@Apple.COM > >>Unfortunately, Jerry Cline (inSync) seems to think that 98% of all IIgs >>owners only use GS/OS on special occasions like birthdays or Christmas, >>and that they boot into ProDOS 8 because all they ever run is >>ProTERM and AppleWorks. >>If you are a ProTERM customer and want a GS/OS version, >>write to inSync and tell them why. > >Count me in as one of Jerry's 98% IIGS owners. I have very few GS/OS >specific programs, mainly I guess because I haven't found anything that I >like better than my ProDOS 8 programs. I'm also in the 98% category, but for a slightly different reason. My IIGS is a Woz limited edition, with only 256k. Try finding IIGS software that runs on less than 512k (actually, try finding IIGS software _at all_ these days...) Lyle H. Gray ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lyle H. Gray Internet (personal): gray@cs.umass.edu Quodata Corporation Phone: (203) 728-6777, FAX: (203) 247-0249 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are solely those of the author.
gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (05/20/91)
In article <30734@dime.cs.umass.edu> gray@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle Gray) writes: >I'm also in the 98% category, but for a slightly different reason. My IIGS is >a Woz limited edition, with only 256k. I also have a "Woz" Apple IIGS, but mine has 8MB. Even if you stick with Apple's IIGS memory expansion card, you would still have 1.25MB. I can't imagine having a IIGS without enough RAM to run IIGS software..
bill@braille.uwo.ca (Bill Carss) (05/29/91)
I am very reluctant (although not too reluctant boviously) to put in my two cents re the present discussion. I must object to the contention that WordPerfect is "easy to use". I have taught people to use it, provided support for support staff who use it and had lengthy discussions with support staff from WordPerfec in Utah about it. I think that qualifies me to make a couple of comments about it. First: WordPerfect is an extremely versatile program - assuming you can take the time to learn how to do the things you want to do. If you have several daysto commit to learning the ins and outs of the program you can eventually learn to do darn near any word processing / desktop publishing activity imaginable with it. Second: Probably 80% of the people who use WordPerfect on a daily basis never come close to using half of its power, never mind its features. If you don't mind buing a cadi when all you need is a horse, this program is for you. Third: If you don't mind using a program that clearly had little or no logical planning during its development this is also the program for you. Take a look at the layout of commands, that is, the actual relationship between what you have to do to accomplish anything. Clearly they were inserted in what could only be called an ad-hoc manner (as apparently are most commands in MS-DOS software). Fourth: When all of the above is combined with similar properties from any number of other MS-DOS software I believe the lack of similarity from program to program, combined with the lack of "user-friendly/logical" command structure and orientation make anyone's conscious choice to use said software over any number of more appropriate choices (and yes I am thinking Apple) darn near insanity. Finally: Just because 25 quintillion people (many of them with no choice) use the software doesn't make it THE BEST SOFTWARE to use. Clearly the majority isn't always right - somehow or other a majority of Progressive Conservatives managed to get themselves elected to our (Canada's) federal government and look at the screw-ups that has caused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Bill Carss bill@braille.uwo.ca