mock@iris.ucdavis.edu (Kenrick J. Mock) (05/26/91)
I've been looking around on various sites for MidiSynth (tool035)
tech notes, but haven't been able to find any. Could someone send me
a description of the tool calls, or point me in the direction where I
might find them?
Gracias,
Kenrick
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GEnie : K.MOCK Net : mock@iris.ucdavis.edu, mock@alderon.lanl.govmattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (05/26/91)
In article <9031@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> mock@iris.ucdavis.edu (Kenrick J. Mock) writes: > >I've been looking around on various sites for MidiSynth (tool035) >tech notes, but haven't been able to find any. Could someone send me >a description of the tool calls, or point me in the direction where I >might find them? > You probably don't know this, so don't think it's a flame at you, 'cause it's not. It just has to be said every now and then. MIDI Synth is not a released product and is not licensed for electronic distribution anywhere. It's on America Online through a hole in the licensing agreement Apple has not yet chosen to close. Revision of standard licensing agreements is underway because of this loophole (and is delaying electronic licensing of some things you'd like to see online). The only way MIDI Synth is officially available as a stand-alone package is through APDA. The package includes synthLAB, as well as developer documentation for the MIDI Synth tool calls. If you see MIDI Synth available electronically in any place other than America Online, please bring it to my attention. -- ============================================================================ Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical | The opinions expressed herein are Support, Apple Computer, Inc. | not those of Apple Computer, and Personal mail only, please. Thanks. | shame on you for thinking otherwise. ^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead. ============================================================================
bh1e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brendan Gallagher Hoar) (05/26/91)
Matt and or others - What is the hole in the licensing aggreement that allowed SL and the MIDISynth tools to be placed on AO? I thought that some kind of deal was worked out. Didn't know it was a hole. If you don't want to go into it, can you tell me where to go to get the information. I'm just really curious. Brendan G. Hoar bh1e+@andrew.cmu.edu 1641 Mt. Eagle Pl. Alexandria, VA 22302 (703) 998-5687/8657/8032
6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) (05/27/91)
Here's the deal: I wrote an application (read: I WROTE, I did not "put
together" some routines I had previosuly had as Matt has said elsewhere) that
is an NDA that plays & records songs (it does 256k songs and 16 tracks
versus 128k and 8 SLab tracks). Joyce gave me $50 then and I licensed
SynthLab. I then distributed SynthLAB. You can distribute it
non-electronically as long as you do not get a profit (ie, give it to a
friend, etc). However, since Joyce (who is the forum leader of the music
forum on america online) paid for the damn thing, I put in a clause that it
can only be distributed electronically on America Online.
Fairly simple, right? Jeez, I've been getting mail accusing me of doing all
sorts of evil things because of Deatherage's posts. I did not pay for the
SLAB license. I wrote an application for it. I WAS NEVER TOLD of any
"problems" with licensing SLab (in fact, the person who gave me the license
was aware of its main intent - to be dist on AO & user groups).
(any apple people - flame in email, I don't want a discussion in csa on my
faults, I realize something may have gone wrong).
BTW, there are hundreds of songs for SLab available, but 99% of them really
suck. They were just converted from MIDI using MidiMade, and they tend to
get tweaked a bit (prime example is Raiders Of The Lost Ark theme). Some
of the good ones are the Lambada song from CIA and some of the early
releases (Triad Enterprises sells a song of disks that are really great -
Clip Tunes is the name, $35.95 is the cost, order from Programs Plus, it
includes tools to help you in HyperCard/HyperummmRogersProduct :-).
(btw, the source for the nda is available in the AII dev forum on AO, it shows
how to record a song and play a song, the macro files for midisynth, and
some hints on midisynth. Worth picking up if you plan to do msynth stuff.
Its freely distributable, I would upload it to CSA.Binaries but my GS is
sorta dead at the moment and I'm on a PC. :(
--
Apple II Forever | 6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu | IBMs get the job done
Parik Rao | Amiga - for the creative mind | Class of 1994
Macintosh - buy it or Apple will sue you.gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (05/27/91)
In article <11596@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) writes: >BTW, there are hundreds of songs for SLab available, ... All of this reminds me -- I have never gotten any really satisfactory answer to the obvious question: Why do the administrators of such on-line services permit the posting of copyright images and songs? I'm fairly sure that few if any of them were copied with the permission of their copyright holders. A related question is: How have these services managed to avoid prosecution for so long?
jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner) (05/27/91)
In article <16273@smoke.brl.mil> gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes: >In article <11596@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) writes: >>BTW, there are hundreds of songs for SLab available, ... > >All of this reminds me -- I have never gotten any really satisfactory >answer to the obvious question: > Why do the administrators of such on-line services permit the > posting of copyright images and songs? I'm fairly sure that > few if any of them were copied with the permission of their > copyright holders. Probably because they are not the original song exactly. Since I don't have SynthLAB, the only songs I've heard have been soundSmith ones. And none of the SS songs that are copied (ie Rush, Samantha fox) sound really good (some sound pretty good). Plus they don't have words, but I think it is basically because they are such poor reproductions. >A related question is: > How have these services managed to avoid prosecution for so long? The lawyers don't know yet? Hopefully it will stay that way as long as the quality of these songs is as low as it is. When we begin to approach the sound of the original recording then maybe some royalties are due. -- Jerry Penner Edmonton, Alberta, Canada jpenne@bode.ee.ualberta.ca or alberta!bode!jpenne
mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (05/31/91)
In article <11596@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) writes: > > Here's the deal: I wrote an application (read: I WROTE, I did not "put >together" some routines I had previosuly had as Matt has said elsewhere) that >is an NDA that plays & records songs (it does 256k songs and 16 tracks >versus 128k and 8 SLab tracks). Joyce gave me $50 then and I licensed >SynthLab. I then distributed SynthLAB. You can distribute it >non-electronically as long as you do not get a profit (ie, give it to a >friend, etc). However, since Joyce (who is the forum leader of the music >forum on america online) paid for the damn thing, I put in a clause that it >can only be distributed electronically on America Online. > A few things pop up here: 1) I have no reason to doubt your account of things -- you were there and I wasn't. I do recall reading a post of yours somewhere that said most of the routines in the NDA were already written, and that you had to assemble them. If I misinterpreted this, I apologize. >Fairly simple, right? Jeez, I've been getting mail accusing me of doing all >sorts of evil things because of Deatherage's posts. I did not pay for the >SLAB license. I wrote an application for it. I WAS NEVER TOLD of any >"problems" with licensing SLab (in fact, the person who gave me the license >was aware of its main intent - to be dist on AO & user groups). > 2) I hope you're passing all complaints along to Joyce, if it is indeed her who is responsible for things. 3) It doesn't matter who paid the licensing fee if your name is on the license. 4) At any rate, it's a violation of the intent of the license -- we have separate license agreements for electronic and non-electronic distribution of Apple Software, and they are not interchangeable. (The only reason we go through this exercise to begin with is that Apple has to do so to assure continued legal protection of its property. The separate electronic license is necessary because electronic distribution can let a product spread worldwide in a single day, often without the appropriate legal mumbo-jumbo that protects Apple. The validity of software copyrights is _not_ the subject here; please direct such follow-ups elsewhere.) Because of this misunderstanding, we are now examining standard licensing agreements to make sure that our intentions for software distribution are clearer in the future. I believe this is delaying licensing of some products. This is not exactly Parik's fault, although I personally believe this issue brought the matter to a head sooner than might have otherwise happened. >(any apple people - flame in email, I don't want a discussion in csa on my > faults, I realize something may have gone wrong). > I don't mean to prolong this either, but I want you to know I'm not out to get you or anything. I'm just tired of the steady stream of mail that says "How come Apple plays favorites with America Online and won't let anyone else distribute MIDI Synth? That's pretty pin-headed." I just want everyone to know that we're not being any more pin-headed than normal in this case. >-- >Apple II Forever | 6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu | IBMs get the job done >Parik Rao | Amiga - for the creative mind | Class of 1994 > Macintosh - buy it or Apple will sue you. -- ============================================================================ Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical | The opinions expressed herein are Support, Apple Computer, Inc. | not those of Apple Computer, and Personal mail only, please. Thanks. | shame on you for thinking otherwise. ^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead. ============================================================================
sysadmin@pnet91.cts.com (Matthew Montano) (05/31/91)
gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes: >In article <11596@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) writes: >>BTW, there are hundreds of songs for SLab available, ... > >All of this reminds me -- I have never gotten any really satisfactory >answer to the obvious question: > Why do the administrators of such on-line services permit the > posting of copyright images and songs? I'm fairly sure that > few if any of them were copied with the permission of their > copyright holders. The fact that many of these "interpretations" hardly deserve the priveledge of sharing the name as the original record is one reason. Yes, it is true, at least in Canada. But for record companies, the electronic online industry is such a small kettle of fish. Matthew --- ventureTech Intelligence - We're trying to make computers easy, SOME HOW! Email: sysadmin@pnet91.cts.com (most mailers won't barf on that..) My comments aren't even worth a disclaimer... And the further I get from the things that I care about... The less I care about how much further away I get - Robert Smith, 1989
jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) (05/31/91)
mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) writes: >[Stuff Deleted] I'm just tired of the steady stream of mail that says >"How come Apple plays favorites with America Online and won't let anyone >else distribute MIDI Synth? That's pretty pin-headed." I just want everyone >to know that we're not being any more pin-headed than normal in this case. Right! What he said! So leave him alone so I can bother him. :-) Seriously, Matt, is there any idea when (or even if) MIDI Synth will be out of beta and where or how it will be available (anything but APDA,please!) once it is? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey T. Berntsen | Looking for a good .sig jeffb@world.std.com | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------