hackett@gaul.csd.uwo.caMike Hackett (06/01/91)
Excerpt from the latest VAPORWARE column: > >Windows 3.1. >The major new feature will be TrueType outline technology. ^^^^^^^^!!!!!! OK that does it. Can anyone tell me where I can get the specs. for the TrueType format? If no one else is working on it, then I'd sure like to make a go at making a GS tool to support it. I see that the System 7 fonts are available on ftp.apple.com, so I've got some test data. I assume that Apple would have no complaints about this (except that it might show up the Mac). Anyone else interested in working on this project (again, if no one else is already working on it), I would be pleased to hear from you. Mike Hackett University of Western Ontario
taob@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Brian Tao) (06/01/91)
hackett@gaul.csd.uwo.caMike Hackett writes: > OK that does it. Can anyone tell me where I can get the specs. for the > TrueType format? If no one else is working on it, then I'd sure like to > make a go at making a GS tool to support it. I see that the System 7 fonts > are available on ftp.apple.com, so I've got some test data. I assume that > Apple would have no complaints about this (except that it might show up the > Mac). Anyone else interested in working on this project (again, if no one > else is already working on it), I would be pleased to hear from you. I haven't heard of anyone trying to write TrueType compilers for the GS, but by all means, go for it! You will probably have to do some serious patching to the Font Manager and QuickDraw II. I won't be able to help write it, but count me in as a beta tester! :) Maybe we can get a StyleWriter driver out of your project... -- Brian T. Tao *B-) | taob@micor.ocunix.on.ca | "Though this be 2705-1510 Riverside | - or - | madness, yet there Ottawa, ON K1G 4X5 | taob@micor.uucp | is method in 't."
ericmcg@pnet91.cts.com (Eric Mcgillicuddy) (06/02/91)
> OK that does it. Can anyone tell me where I can get the specs. for the >TrueType format? If no one else is working on it, then I'd sure like to >make a go at making a GS tool to support it. I see that the System 7 fonts > >Mike Hackett >University of Western Ontario I picked up the specs from APDA a few months ago, PArt # M0825LL/A. Only 300 pages to analyse before you get started. :) Vitesse is rumoured to be working on outline fonts products, but I am not sure if they are TrueType or Adobe. (or both? :) Personally I think TrueType would be better for the GS, I understand that it is less processor intensive. UUCP: bkj386!pnet91!ericmcg INET: ericmcg@pnet91.cts.com
lhaider@pro-nbs.cts.com (Laer Haider) (06/04/91)
In-Reply-To: message from hackett@gaul.csd.uwo.caMike > OK that does it. Can anyone tell me where I can get the specs. for the >TrueType format? If no one else is working on it, then I'd sure like to >make a go at making a GS tool to support it. I see that the System 7 fonts >are available on ftp.apple.com, so I've got some test data. I assume that >Apple would have no complaints about this (except that it might show up the >Mac). Anyone else interested in working on this project (again, if no one >else is already working on it), I would be pleased to hear from you. Apple will only have complaints if you happen to implement it well. TrueType was jointly developed by Apple and Microsoft and is copy- righted by both companies, so you might want to look into the legal aspects of using their work before releasing your work. About TrueType showing up on a Mac, it has. That's what Apple has been working for. If you compete against the Mac on Apple's bastard step-child computer (the Apple II series), you can expect to hear from part of Apple's lawyer gastapo force. Check with Andy, Matt and/ or Dave before venturing too far. / _______________________________________________ \ / / ProLine: pro-nbs!lhaider \\\' , / // INET: lhaider@pro-nbs.cts.com \\\//, _/ //, UUCP: crash!pro-nbs!lhaider \_-//' / //<, ARPA: crash!pro-nbs!lhaider@nosc.mil \ /// <//` BITNET: lhaider%pro-nbs.cts.com@nosc.mil / >> \\\`__/_ /,)-^>>\` , \\\ The opinions express here are just opinions. (/ \\ /\\\ Don't have a cow man! // _//\\\\ ----------------------------------------------- ((` ((
dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) (06/05/91)
In article <3794.apple.a2.net@pro-nbs> lhaider@pro-nbs.cts.com (Laer Haider) writes: [About TrueType on the GS] >[...] >About TrueType showing up on a Mac, it has. That's what Apple has >been working for. If you compete against the Mac on Apple's bastard >step-child computer (the Apple II series), you can expect to hear >from part of Apple's lawyer gastapo force. I do not know the legal status of the TrueType data format; maybe that is made clear in the APDA document someone mentioned. If there are no legal problems, then more power to you. If you can make it work on the GS, that's great. However, a TrueType engine will be computationally intensive, and I will be very surprised if it can be done at a practical speed on the GS. More likely you would want a separate utility to pre-create bit-mapped fonts in all the sizes you're going to want. There is no anti-Apple-II-gestapo-lawyer-force. That's silly. -- David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems Apple II System Software Engineer | P.O. Box 875 America Online: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie:DAVE.LYONS CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
ericmcg@pnet91.cts.com (Eric Mcgillicuddy) (06/06/91)
There is no law against writing your own interpreter for TrueType, anymore than there is for writing a Postscript interpreter, a language can not be copyrighted. UUCP: bkj386!pnet91!ericmcg INET: ericmcg@pnet91.cts.com
geniusman@pro-hindugods.cts.com (Chris Moylan) (06/06/91)
>However, a TrueType engine will be computationally intensive, and I will >be very surprised if it can be done at a practical speed on the GS. More >likely you would want a separate utility to pre-create bit-mapped fonts >in all the sizes you're going to want. If it can be done under System 7.0 on a Mac Plus, it can be done on a GS. Chris Moylan | ProLine: geniusman@pro-hindugods CoSysop: Hindu Love Gods BBS | Internet: geniusman@pro-hindugods.cts.com 313/644-0481 | UUCP: crash!pro-hindugods!geniusman 300-9600 bps, v.32/v.42/v.42bis | ARPA: crash!pro-hindugods!geniusman@nosc.mil
sb@pnet91.cts.com (Stephen Brown) (06/07/91)
dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) writes: >In article <3794.apple.a2.net@pro-nbs> lhaider@pro-nbs.cts.com (Laer Haider) writes: >[About TrueType on the GS] >>[...] >>About TrueType showing up on a Mac, it has. That's what Apple has >>been working for. If you compete against the Mac on Apple's bastard >>step-child computer (the Apple II series), you can expect to hear >>from part of Apple's lawyer gastapo force. > >I do not know the legal status of the TrueType data format; maybe that >is made clear in the APDA document someone mentioned. > >If there are no legal problems, then more power to you. If you can >make it work on the GS, that's great. > >However, a TrueType engine will be computationally intensive, and I will >be very surprised if it can be done at a practical speed on the GS. More >likely you would want a separate utility to pre-create bit-mapped fonts >in all the sizes you're going to want. [cut here....] When I use the Harmonie drivers at 300 dpi (assuming I don't run out of memory during the rendering) it takes about 15 minutes per page (ROM 01, SyQuest HD, Apple HS SCSI, Grappler+, Roland 24pin printer). TrueType gives the same sort of resolution. If TrueType were available AND it gave comparable or superior results AND the printing time was about the same, I'd at least try it. Do you call 15 minutes per page 'practical speed'? I don't. The hardware must be improved. ...that is _not_ a flame on you Dave, so please don't interpret it that way... it's just the result of printing a page and finding a teensy-weensy (but significant) error, requiring the page to be reprinted. +---------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Brown Toronto, Canada | | Internet: sb@pnet91.cts.com UUCP: utzoo!pnet91!sb | +---------------------------------------------------------+ | Apple II Forever !!! | +---------------------------------------------------------+ | Like my new .signature. ? Too bad. | +---------------------------------------------------------+
dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) (06/11/91)
In article <822@generic.UUCP> sb@pnet91.cts.com (Stephen Brown) writes: >dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) writes: >>[...] a TrueType engine will be computationally intensive, and I will >>be very surprised if it can be done at a practical speed on the GS. More >>likely you would want a separate utility to pre-create bit-mapped fonts >>in all the sizes you're going to want. > >When I use the Harmonie drivers at 300 dpi (assuming I don't run out of memory >during the rendering) it takes about 15 minutes per page (ROM 01, SyQuest HD, >Apple HS SCSI, Grappler+, Roland 24pin printer). TrueType gives the same sort >of resolution. If TrueType were available AND it gave comparable or superior >results AND the printing time was about the same, I'd at least try it. > >Do you call 15 minutes per page 'practical speed'? I don't. The hardware must >be improved. > >...that is _not_ a flame on you Dave, so please don't interpret it that way... >it's just the result of printing a page and finding a teensy-weensy (but >significant) error, requiring the page to be reprinted. 15 minutes a page is not my idea of fun, no. But I think I am missing your point. Seems to me TrueType would be even slower. If you're doing much 300dpi printing, a TWGS or Zip might be well worth the investment (unless you're already using one?). -- David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems Apple II System Software Engineer | P.O. Box 875 America Online: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie:DAVE.LYONS CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com My opinions are my own, not Apple's.