TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL (06/26/91)
Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" programs, of which there are many)? A draw program is one which in effect keeps a geometrically or mathematically precise representation of the picture you are constructing and prints or displays it (if you wish) at the highest resolution possible on the output medium. A paint program, however, only works at the resolution of the GS screen, which is pretty crude compared to many of the printers now available. Also, which word processsing/desktop publishing programs are able to use higher resolution on the printer than on the display? (I believe AWGS will use a double or quadruple-sized font if it has it, scaled down by half or a quarter, to get better resolution on a printer than on the screen.) Ted Lee <TMPLee@dockmaster.ncsc.mil>
jasonp@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jason Perez) (06/27/91)
In article <910626054134.456105@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL> TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: >Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" >programs, of which there are many)? A draw program is one which in the only "draw" program that I know of is TopDraw by what used to be StyleWare. I'm not sure if it's still published. It's ok, but not as good as MacDraw. -- Jason Perez | jasonp@vulcan.sps.mot.com | j0p7771@sigma.tamu.edu (after aug 17.) UUCP: uunet!crash!pro-lep!jasonp | "Gig 'em!" "Frodo lives!" INet: jasonp@pro-lep.cts.com | "Don't have a cow man!"
gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (06/27/91)
In article <910626054134.456105@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL> TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: >Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" >programs, of which there are many)? The only one I know of is Top Draw, but I don't think it retains higher coordinate precision than that with which you draw. It differs from painting programs primarily in maintaining an object description instead of an image.
giovin@medr4.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) (06/27/91)
In article <910626054134.456105@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL> TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: >Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" >programs, of which there are many)? A draw program is one which in I've used TopDraw and DrawPlus. I liked DrawPlus a little bit better just because of the way it seemed easier to use. There may be newer draw programs out, but I haven't been looking. Rocky Giovinazzo
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) (06/27/91)
In article <910626054134.456105@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL> TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: >Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" >programs, of which there are many)? There is BeagleDraw GS. This may actually be TopDraw renamed (and possibly updated), because I know that BeagleWrite GS is actually MultiScribe GS... I guess Beagle Bros. bought out the remaining StyleWare products after Apple/Claris (I dunno which) got GSWorks (or did they buy the company?) God, I've still got StyleWriter HATS on my wall from AppleFest of eons ago.. -- /unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu Apple IIGS Forever! unknown@cats.ucsc.edu\ |WANT to help get ULTIMA VI //e or GS written?-mail me. CHEAP CD info-mail me.| \ It's a Late Night World.... Of Love /
David.Empson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) (06/27/91)
In article <910626054134.456105@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL> TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: > Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" > programs, of which there are many)? AppleWorks GS's graphics module has both "draw" and "paint" capabilities, i.e. it is able to remember individual objects and move them around. I don't know if it will draw things in a better resolution if you have a decent printer, though. -- David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz) (06/27/91)
In article <16543@smoke.brl.mil> gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes: >In article <910626054134.456105@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL> TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: >>Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" >>programs, of which there are many)? > >The only one I know of is Top Draw, but I don't think it retains higher >coordinate precision than that with which you draw. It differs from >painting programs primarily in maintaining an object description instead >of an image. There is BeagleDraw from Beagle Bros, but I have no experience with it... Also, the AppleWorks GS graphics program is a draw program. Mike BTW: didn't StyleWare go out of business? I know they originally made MultiScribe, the original GS graphics-based word processor. It was my understanding that they were working on an integrated progrtam when Claris bought it from them, finished it off, and released it as AppleWorks GS. That would explain why MultiScribe and the AWGS word processor are so similar. (note: I am basing this on things I have heard in the past). I think I saw a version of TopDraw at Babbages Computer Store the other day, I was kinda surprised since I thought they had gone out of business years ago! (either that or Claris took them over, or something).
ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET (06/28/91)
The only two "true" draw programs for the IIgs as far as I know were TopDraw and Draw Plus. I don't know what happened to Draw Plus, but it would not run under system software 5.0.x, so couldn't use the new high- resolution drivers anyway. Top Draw became Beagle Draw when Beagle Bros bought out Styleware, but it too preceeded 5.0 and I don't know whether or not they have upgraded it.
Danny.Spalt@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Danny Spalt) (06/28/91)
>Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" >programs, of which there are many)? A draw program is one which in >effect keeps a geometrically or mathematically precise representation of >the picture you are constructing and prints or displays it (if you wish) >at the highest resolution possible on the output medium. A paint >program, however, only works at the resolution of the GS screen, which >is pretty crude compared to many of the printers now available. Also, There are at least two draw programs for the IIgs (in addition to the AppleWorks GS draw/paint module). The first is Draw Plus by Activision/Mediagenic, a fairly old program that is probably no longer supported. The second is Beagle Bros' Beagle Draw (formerly Top Draw by StyleWare). This is a powerful, reliable program, and Beagle Bros' support is top-notch. ________________________________________________________________________ | | || "One becomes a critic when one cannot be an artist, just as a man || ||| becomes a stool pigeon when he cannot be a soldier." --Flaubert ||| ||| ________________________________________ ||| ||| | | "IIgs...the power to crush ||| || | Internet....DannySpalt@bbs.oit.unc.edu | the other kids" || |__|________________________________________|____________________________| -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: bbs.oit.unc.edu or 128.109.157.30
jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner) (06/28/91)
In article <17A70DC5A0412C80@NIEHS.BITNET> ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET writes: >The only two "true" draw programs for the IIgs as far as I know were >TopDraw and Draw Plus. I don't know what happened to Draw Plus, but it >would not run under system software 5.0.x, [rest nuked] Draw Plus (v1.1) runs just fine under System 5.0.4. And yes, you get better resolution from a drawing program as opposed to a painting program. I've never used TopDraw/BeagleDraw. For someone who has used both extensively, I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison. Please. :-| -- Jerry Penner | jpenne@bode.ee.ualberta.ca Edmonton, Alberta, Canada | OR alberta!bode!jpenne
bird@cbnewsd.att.com (j.l.walters) (06/28/91)
From article <910626054134.456105@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL>, by TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL: > Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" > programs, of which there are many)? Graphwriter III, from Seven Hills Software, supports both objects, paint, and text at the same time. The drawing tools are not Platinum Paint, however, there is enough there to do anything I've ever wanted to do. > Also, > which word processsing/desktop publishing programs are able to use > higher resolution on the printer than on the display? Seven Hills Software has a printer driver named, Independence that supports both laser and HP 300 dpi ink jet printers. -- Joe Walters att!ihlpf!bird IH 2A-227 (708) 979-9527
joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) (06/29/91)
AppleWorks GS has some Draw Tools, but isn't really complete. I suggest you check out Beagle Draw from Beagle Brothers. It is a real Apple IIGS based Draw program, It is Beagles version of the Styleware program TopDraw... (Beagle removed the copy protection) Seymour
leed@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Lee Dronick) (06/29/91)
In-Reply-To: message from TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL -> Are there ANY "draw" programs for the GS (as opposed to "paint" Yes Beagle Bros sells a program called Beagle Draw. It used to be sold by MultiScribe under the name of Top Draw. It has been revised to work unfer GS/OS 5.0.4. The program lists for $89.95, but you should be able to get much better via mail order. Call Beagle at 800-345-1750 to order or ask for a catalog. ---- ProLine: leed@pro-nsdapple Internet: leed@pro-nsdapple.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-nsdapple!leed ARPA: crash!pro-nsdapple!leed@nosc.mil
daveharv@pro-novapple.cts.com (Dave Harvey-SysAdmin) (06/30/91)
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I have Draw Plus vers. 1.1 that's a draw program. It's no longer supported
however, which should be factored in when talking about the program.
There's also some drawing type programs for making models of houses that is
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In-Reply-To: message from TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
There are several Draw programs.
Draw Plus by Actvision (Paintworks Gold)
I doubt that they are supporting it anymore.
Beagle Draw by Beagle Bros. (formerly StyleWare's Top Draw)
Probably have support by the company for many years
to come.
Hope this helps!
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ARPA: crash!pro-nbs!asong@nosc.milkimbrennan@gnh-starport.cts.com (Kim Brennan) (06/30/91)
There have only been two general purpose 'Draw' programs for the GS. DrawPlus
and TopDraw. DrawPlus is my favorite of the two. It was done by Activision
(Paintworks Plus). DrawPlus has several flaws, but is usable even on an
unaccelerated GS.
TopDraw (done my the same people that did MultiScribe) is now known as
BeagleDraw. Unless there has been a recent update to it it had more severe
flaws than DrawPlus, in my opinion making it unsuitable even on an accelerated
GS.
In addition the Design Your On House series of programs in the GS specific
versions can be used to a large extent as draw programs. While they have more
advanced features they are designed for specific tasks which makes them more
limited also.
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