davidra@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (David Rabson) (07/02/90)
Mr. Hosek (dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu) asks us not to use Euler Fraktur for
text. Understanding his concern, I will yet point out that one gets
reasonably good results by changing a few parameters:
\magnification=1000
\baselineskip=16.8pt
\font\eufm=eufm14 %Black Forest Font
\fontdimen2\eufm=.333em
\fontdimen3\eufm=.166em
\fontdimen4\eufm=.110em
{\eufm
Once upon a time, in the great Black Forest by the Rhine,
there lived an evil sorcerer feared
equally by the villagefolk and by
etc.
}
To my untrained eyes, at any rate, this doesn't look so bad.
David Rabson
davidra@helios.tn.cornell.edudhosek@sif.claremont.edu (Hosek, Donald A.) (07/02/90)
In article <10495@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, davidra@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (David Rabson) writes... >Mr. Hosek (dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu) asks us not to use Euler Fraktur for >text. Understanding his concern, I will yet point out that one gets >reasonably good results by changing a few parameters: >\magnification=1000 >\baselineskip=16.8pt >\font\eufm=eufm14 %Black Forest Font >\fontdimen2\eufm=.333em >\fontdimen3\eufm=.166em >\fontdimen4\eufm=.110em >{\eufm >Once upon a time, in the great Black Forest by the Rhine, >there lived an evil sorcerer feared >equally by the villagefolk and by >etc. >} >To my untrained eyes, at any rate, this doesn't look so bad. Some specific problems with Euler Fraktur as a text font: - Interword spacing is fixed... the \fontdimen stuff above does a fair job of dealing with this but it must be done promptly after loading the font. - There is very limited punctuation provided. One of the more notable omissions is the hyphen. \hyphenchar=-1, better increase \fontdimen3 a little more. - There is no diaresis (umlaut). Now, if you're writing in English, this wouldn't be a problem (unless you're writing for the New Yorker, in which case you wouldn't be so na\"{\i}ve as to leave the diaresis of of ``pre\"empt'' but then, The New Yorker wouldn't print an article in Fraktur in a million years. However, Fraktur is a German face and is most likely to be used in a German context. And der Pr\"asident der DANTE (The German TeX Users Group) is not going to be very happy if you try to call him der Prasident. - The spacing around letter is wrong for quality text typesetting. In math fonts, it is desirable to have more interletter spacing than one normally has in text. This means that ${\frac F}(1) = 0$ will come out fine but {\frac ist nicht sehr guht}. -dh --- Don Hosek TeX, LaTeX, and Metafont Consulting and dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu production work. Free Estimates. dhosek@ymir.bitnet uunet!jarthur!ymir Phone: 714-625-0147
dhosek@sif.claremont.edu (Hosek, Donald A.) (07/02/90)
A few additional notes... Having just looked at the AMSFONTS 2.0 release of Euler Fraktur, I find that it has a minus sign in the hyphen position so if you have a hyphenation in \frak when it's used as a text font, something will be printed there, however, the minus sign is too large to use as a hyphen. There is also an Umlaut, but in x'7d rather than x'7f. Single opening and closing quotes are also present but again in non-standard positions. -dh --- Don Hosek TeX, LaTeX, and Metafont Consulting and dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu production work. Free Estimates. dhosek@ymir.bitnet uunet!jarthur!ymir Phone: 714-625-0147
DLV@CUNYVMS1.BITNET (07/02/90)
>A few additional notes... Having just looked at the AMSFONTS 2.0 >release of Euler Fraktur, I find that it has a minus sign in the >hyphen position so if you have a hyphenation in \frak when it's >used as a text font, something will be printed there, however, >the minus sign is too large to use as a hyphen. There is also an >Umlaut, but in x'7d rather than x'7f. Single opening and closing >quotes are also present but again in non-standard positions. I guess, once the funny-looking METAFONT is out, some kind soul with a lot of spare time on his/her hands will eventually move the umlaut in its proper position, or, better yet, add a pre-accented a, o, and u; but I'd like to point out another thing that's seriously wrong with using Euler Fraktur as a text font, which struck me right away when I tried doing that: there are no ligatures! Even if you set just English, you are supposed to have 'ch', 'ck', 'ft', and 'tz' ligs, because they look *real* *weird* spelled out in Fraktur; and for Deutch one needs 'final' (round) s, and es-zet; and in principle, it would be good to have the usual 'ff', 'fi', 'fl'... (which don't look as terrible spelled out, but would look better as ligs, as they are meant to be). I figure, someone will do that too once the MF is out... Dimitri Vulis Department of Mathematics City University of New York Graduate Center Administrator of RUSTEX-L, the Russian TeX mailing list P.S. The proper 'hyphen' for fraktur looks more like a slanted equal sign. P.P.S. I have somewhere a sheet with Fraktur-like Cyrillic letters; now that's weird! :)
marksm@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Mark S Madsen) (07/04/90)
In article <7702@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> dhosek@sif.claremont.edu writes: >A few additional notes... Having just looked at the AMSFONTS 2.0 All this discussion about fraktur fonts somewhat begs the original question, since (Gothic) != (Old English). I assume that the original poster wanted to typeset quotations from (eg) Chaucer or Piers Plowman, and so needs to have yogh, thorn, eth and so forth. If anyone does know of fonts that would fit the bill, I would also be interested in hearing about them (caveat: I don't have ftp access, so ftp sites are pretty useless to me personally.) Thanks, Mark >Don Hosek TeX, LaTeX, and Metafont Consulting and -- ####################################################################### ## Mark S. Madsen #### marksm@syma.susx.ac.uk ##################### #### Astronomy Centre, University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QH, UK. ## #################### Life's a bitch. Then you die. #################
spqr@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) (07/19/90)
In article <3032@syma.sussex.ac.uk> marksm@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Mark S Madsen) writes:
question, since (Gothic) != (Old English). I assume that the original
poster wanted to typeset quotations from (eg) Chaucer or Piers
Plowman, and so needs to have yogh, thorn, eth and so forth.
If anyone does know of fonts that would fit the bill, I would also be
interested in hearing about them (caveat: I don't have ftp access, so
ftp sites are pretty useless to me personally.)
if you forget about Metafonted fonts, and use a PostScript printer,
then you will find yogh, thorn and eth in some Adobe typefaces, such as
Times. it is always worth doing a search of PostScript fonts, as they
often have characters which dont appear in the standard encoding
sebastian
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