msd@enh.nist.gov (M. Scott Dewey) (10/03/90)
Dear Experts,
The subject pretty much says it all. The paper I'm writing must conform to
a strict style which happens to differ greatly from what LaTeX easily
produces. To help me get what I need, I've defined a new section command
that: a) centers the section heading, b) renders it in bold-normal size,
and c) gives me back paragraph indent on the following text. Unfortunately
the resulting indentation is larger than what occurs normally. Is there a
better way to restore paragraph indent after new sections?
\newcommand{\newsec}[1]{\section*{\normalsize
\bf \null \hfill #1 \hfill \null} \mbox{} \indent}
Thanks!
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Gaithersburg, MD 20899spqr@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) (10/03/90)
In article <0093D99C.7E11FCA0@QMD.PHY.NIST.GOV> msd@enh.nist.gov (M. Scott Dewey) writes:
produces. To help me get what I need, I've defined a new section command
that: a) centers the section heading, b) renders it in bold-normal size,
....
\newcommand{\newsec}[1]{\section*{\normalsize
\bf \null \hfill #1 \hfill \null} \mbox{} \indent}
you should, I am afraid, go further back into LaTeX and look at the
long and detailed explanation of the \start@section macro in
latex.tex, and define your new section heading type in those terms.
I'm not offering to quote you the solution, but indentation after a
heading is one of the things you can set
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Computer Science S.Rahtz@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Bitnet)
Southampton S09 5NH, UK S.Rahtz@sot-ecs.uucp (uucp)piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum) (10/04/90)
>>>>> In article <0093D99C.7E11FCA0@QMD.PHY.NIST.GOV>, msd@enh.nist.gov (M. >>>>> Scott Dewey) (MSD) writes: MSD> The subject pretty much says it all. The paper I'm writing must conform to MSD> a strict style which happens to differ greatly from what LaTeX easily MSD> produces. To help me get what I need, I've defined a new section command MSD> that: a) centers the section heading, b) renders it in bold-normal size, MSD> and c) gives me back paragraph indent on the following text. Unfortunately MSD> the resulting indentation is larger than what occurs normally. Is there a MSD> better way to restore paragraph indent after new sections? The proper way to do this is to write a new article-like style file (e.g. by modifying copies of article.sty and art1[012].sty) The definition of \section is in the art1[012].sty files, e.g. in art10.sty: \def\section{\@startsection {section}{1}{\z@}{-3.5ex plus -1ex minus -.2ex}{2.3ex plus .2ex}{\Large\bf}} \def\subsection{\@startsection{subsection}{2}{\z@}{-3.25ex plus -1ex minus -.2ex}{1.5ex plus .2ex}{\large\bf}} \def\subsubsection{\@startsection{subsubsection}{3}{\z@}{-3.25ex plus -1ex minus -.2ex}{1.5ex plus .2ex}{\normalsize\bf}} where latex.tex defines: % \@startsection {NAME}{LEVEL}{INDENT}{BEFORESKIP}{AFTERSKIP}{STYLE} % optional * [ALTHEADING]{HEADING} % Generic command to start a section. % NAME : e.g., 'subsection' % LEVEL : a number, denoting depth of section -- e.g., chapter=1, % section = 2, etc. % INDENT : Indentation of heading from left margin % BEFORESKIP : Absolute value = skip to leave above the heading. % If negative, then paragraph indent of text following % heading is suppressed. % AFTERSKIP : if positive, then skip to leave below heading, else % negative of skip to leave to right of run-in heading. % STYLE : commands to set style % If '*' missing, then increments the counter. If it is present, then % there should be no [ALTHEADING] argument. % Uses the counter 'secnumdepth' whose value is the highest section % level that is to be numbered. % You can't do it in a style option file, because the art1[012].sty files are read in AFTER the style options. -- Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands. Telephone: +31 30 531806 Uucp: uunet!mcsun!ruuinf!piet Telefax: +31 30 513791 Internet: piet@cs.ruu.nl (*`Pete')
aryeh@eddie.mit.edu (Aryeh M. Weiss) (10/05/90)
In article <3961@ruuinf.cs.ruu.nl> piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum) writes: >>>>>> In article <0093D99C.7E11FCA0@QMD.PHY.NIST.GOV>, msd@enh.nist.gov (M. >You can't do it in a style option file, because the art1[012].sty files are >read in AFTER the style options. ^^^^^ >-- >Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, Whoa! When I have a \documentstyle header like \documentstyle[11pt,va,xref]{article} The log file CLEARLY shows article.sty starting up, read in art11.sty in ENTIRETY, article.sty finishing up, followed by va.sty and xref.sty: This is TeX, Version 3.0 (preloaded format=lplain 90.8.8) 4 OCT 1990 13:05 **va (./va.tex LaTeX Version 2.09 <7 Dec 1989> (/usr/local/lib/tex/styles/article.sty Document Style `article' <16 Mar 88>. (/usr/local/lib/tex/styles/art11.sty) ... ) (./va.sty \sfigskip=\skip41 \sfigadjp=\skip42 ) (./xref.sty) (./va.aux ... etc --
dmjones@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David M. Jones) (10/05/90)
The following tirade is offered in a spirit of gentle rebuke, and is meant to encourage a more user-friendly attitude in this group. No offense is intended toward either of the people whom I quote. I think there's a valuable lesson in humility in the following two responses to M. Scott Dewey's request for a modified \section command that doesn't suppress the indentation of the following paragraph. First, in article <SPQR.90Oct3114242@manutius.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Sebastian Rahtz said: >you should, I am afraid, go further back into LaTeX and look at the >long and detailed explanation of the \start@section macro in >latex.tex, and define your new section heading type in those terms. >I'm not offering to quote you the solution, but indentation after a >heading is one of the things you can set Then, in article <3961@ruuinf.cs.ruu.nl>, Piet van Oostrum said: >The proper way to do this is to write a new article-like style file (e.g. >by modifying copies of article.sty and art1[012].sty) [...] >You can't do it in a style option file, because the art1[012].sty files are >read in AFTER the style options. Both of these, of course, are wrong. The command is \@startsection, not \start@section and, as Areh Weiss has already pointed out, the art1[012].sty files are read in _before_ any others. The lesson? Don't be so quick to pontificate, especially when answering off the cuff without checking your answers first. Granted, neither of these errors was particularly dreadful, but I was more than a little annoyed by the tone of Mr. Rahtz's reply, which I found somewhat patronizing. It's frustrating enough to be learning your way around LaTeX's internals for the first time without having the experts give misleading information because they don't take the few seconds necessary to check their memories. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David M. Jones |"The earth's a prison -- one can't 17 Simpson Ave #1; Somerville, MA 02144 | get away from it.... I'm still ARPANET: dmjones@theory.lcs.mit.edu | too young to lack desires, Not UUCP: ...!mit-eddie!mit-athena!dmjones | young enough now for mere play." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
des@frogland.inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd) (10/05/90)
In article <1990Oct5.005941.7173@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, dmjones@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David M. Jones) writes: |> The following tirade is offered in a spirit of gentle rebuke, and is |> meant to encourage a more user-friendly attitude in this group. No |> offense is intended toward either of the people whom I quote. -- ditto -- [discussion about two answers to a question that were not entirely correct] |> The lesson? Don't be so quick to pontificate, especially when |> answering off the cuff without checking your answers first. Granted, |> neither of these errors was particularly dreadful, but I was more than |> a little annoyed by the tone of Mr. Rahtz's reply, which I found |> somewhat patronizing. at the same time remember that it isn't their/our job to answer questions about LaTeX in this group. If you expect carefully checked and tested solutions to your problems then your site should be employing someone to support LaTeX (either internally or via someone who sells TeX + support). You should be quite pleased that someone, out of the goodness of their heart, points you in the right direction if you post a problem here as you've no right to expect anything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- david shepherd: des@inmos.co.uk or des@inmos.com tel: 0454-616616 x 529 inmos ltd, 1000 aztec west, almondsbury, bristol, bs12 4sq phevbfvgl xvyyrq gur png
dmjones@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David M. Jones) (10/06/90)
In article <11639@ganymede.inmos.co.uk>, des@frogland (David Shepherd) writes: > >at the same time remember that it isn't their/our job to answer questions >about LaTeX in this group. If you expect carefully checked and tested >solutions to your problems then your site should be employing someone >to support LaTeX (either internally or via someone who sells TeX + >support). You should be quite pleased that someone, out of the goodness >of their heart, points you in the right direction if you post a >problem here as you've no right to expect anything. I certainly agree with most of this. However, I don't think anyone should be expected to be too grateful for a wrong answer, especially when the answer is trivially wrong, but quite misleading. I'm no LaTeX wizard, but I do know enough to be helpful once in a while. I don't feel that this obligates me to answer any given question that I read on the net. However, when I do choose to answer a question, I do feel some obligation to make sure that my answer is correct and as helpful as possible. If it isn't, then I'm wasting my time and the time of the person I'm responding to, and am also running the risk of increasing his/her frustration. I'm not comfortable with the "shooting from the hip" style of reply, because it leads to precisely the sort of slightly incorrect answers that I quoted earlier. By the way, let me repeat that I meant no personal offense to either Rahtz or van Oostrum. I've generally found their articles to be quite helpful and authoritative. In fact, I'd like to take this chance to thank Piet for the diffs he sent me a few weeks back to make letter.sty work with Mittelbach and Sch\"opf's font selection scheme. I installed them and they've worked beautifully. (Time constraints prevented me from acknowledging his reply then.) It is perhaps true that my rantings should be taken with a megadose of salt. Having recently completed a Local Guide to LaTeX for our system, I'm rather sensitive right now to the issues of documentation and the proper way to respond to questions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David M. Jones |"I've just come across a fascinating 17 Simpson Ave #1; Somerville, MA 02144 | piece in the Times. Concerns the ARPANET: dmjones@theory.lcs.mit.edu | effects of lack of sleep among UUCP: ...!mit-eddie!mit-athena!dmjones | the marginally sane." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
kath@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (William L. Kath) (10/06/90)
In article <0093D99C.7E11FCA0@QMD.PHY.NIST.GOV> msd@enh.nist.gov (M. Scott Dewey) writes: >Dear Experts, > >The subject pretty much says it all. [ stuff deleted ] >-- >NAME: Dr. M. Scott Dewey TELE: (301) 975-4843 >DIVISION: Quantum Metrology INTERNET: msd@enh.nist.gov >USMAIL: NIST (formerly NBS) BITNET: msd@nbsenh > Rm. A-141, Bldg. 221 > Gaithersburg, MD 20899 I am not an expert, but in a posting some months ago, Denys Duchier (duchier-denys@cs.yale.edu) suggested saying \leavevmode\indent after the section command and before the first paragraph. This has worked fine for me (although I know it is mixing TeX and LaTeX together). Bill Kath ----------------------- kath@delta.eecs.nwu.edu Engineering Sciences and Applied Mathematics A Guest of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science McCormick School of Engineering, Northwestern University