norbert@rwthinf.UUCP (Norbert Kiesel) (11/12/90)
Hello,
I'm trying to hyphenate words with imbedded hyphens ala 'subsystem-module'.
A \showhyphens{subsystem modul subsystem-modul} gives
``sub-sy-stem mo-dul subsystem-modul'', i.e. no hyphenation in the third word.
I'm normally working with LaTeX, but here it makes no difference. Is this a bug
or a feature? And if a bug, a configuration bug or a TeX bug (please send me
$2^x$ dollars :-) ?
so long
Norbert
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*******************************************************************************piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum) (11/14/90)
>>>>> In message <3684@rwthinf.UUCP>, norbert@rwthinf.UUCP (Norbert Kiesel) >>>>> (NK) writes: NK> I'm trying to hyphenate words with imbedded hyphens ala 'subsystem-module'. NK> A \showhyphens{subsystem modul subsystem-modul} gives NK> ``sub-sy-stem mo-dul subsystem-modul'', i.e. no hyphenation in the third word. See the TeX book pages 95, 286 and 454: TeX inserts a \discretionary{}{}{} after a character that is the hyphenchar of its font in unrestricted horizontal mode. However, a word that contains discretionaries is not further hyphenated. So you must disable the hyphenchar while reading the word and enable it while TeX hyphenates (i.e. at the end of the paragraph. Two ways to do this: \def\H#1{\setbox0=\hbox{#1}\unhbox0} \showhyphens{subsystem modul \H{subsystem-modul}} \edef\savehyphenchar{\the\hyphenchar\the\font} \hyphenchar\the\font=0 \showhyphens{subsystem modul subsystem-modul \hyphenchar\the\font=\savehyphenchar} -- Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands. Telephone: +31 30 531806 Uucp: uunet!mcsun!ruuinf!piet Telefax: +31 30 513791 Internet: piet@cs.ruu.nl (*`Pete')
glenn@suphys.physics.su.OZ.AU (Glenn Geers) (11/15/90)
From article <3684@rwthinf.UUCP>, by norbert@rwthinf.UUCP (Norbert Kiesel): > Hello, > I'm trying to hyphenate words with imbedded hyphens ala 'subsystem-module'. > > A \showhyphens{subsystem modul subsystem-modul} gives > ``sub-sy-stem mo-dul subsystem-modul'', i.e. no hyphenation in the third word. > > I'm normally working with LaTeX, but here it makes no difference. Is this a bug > or a feature? And if a bug, a configuration bug or a TeX bug (please send me > $2^x$ dollars :-) ? > It's a feature. In typographical circles it is considered bad practice to hyphenate words that are already hyphenated. You know what I mean! > > so long > > Norbert bye Glenn glenn@qed.physics.su.oz.au -- Glenn Geers | "So when it's over, we're back to people. Department of Theoretical Physics | Just to prove that human touch can have The University of Sydney | no equal." Sydney NSW 2006 Australia | - Basia Trzetrzelewska, 'Prime Time TV'
hanche@imf.unit.no (Harald Hanche-Olsen) (11/15/90)
In article <1990Nov15.080527.9557@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> glenn@suphys.physics.su.OZ.AU (Glenn Geers) writes:
From article <3684@rwthinf.UUCP>, by norbert@rwthinf.UUCP (Norbert Kiesel):
[asking about TeX's unwillingness to further hyphenate subsystem-modul]
It's a feature. In typographical circles it is considered bad practice to
hyphenate words that are already hyphenated. You know what I mean!
That may be true and perhaps not too hard to practice in English, but
in languages like German and the Scandinavian languages you sometimes
end up with real monstrosities where that rule must be broken. And
you can easily make TeX break that rule, by saying things like
subsystem\kern0pt-\hskip 0pt modul
Of course, if you need to do that often you should create a macro that
will expand to the horror in the middle of the word...
- Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche@imf.unit.no>
Division of Mathematical Sciences
The Norwegian Institute of Technology
N-7034 Trondheim, NORWAYgampell@hpcc01.HP.COM (Sheriff Truman) (11/16/90)
--
Glenn Geers | "So when it's over, we're back to people.
Department of Theoretical Physics | Just to prove that human touch can have
The University of Sydney | no equal."
Sydney NSW 2006 Australia | - Basia Trzetrzelewska, 'Prime Time TV'
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