[comp.text.tex] left quotation mark with tail going down ?

xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Xiaofei Wang) (12/24/90)

Hi, world --

The question I am going to ask is real simple: how to make a left quotation
mark with its tail going down? Email is appreciated.

TeX uses left quotation mark with its tail going up and I can not find
left quotation mark with its tail going down in TeX font tables. The 
left quotation mark with its tail going down are used in publications
such as ``Newsweek'' I just can not believe that TeX can not handle this.

chris@mimsy.umd.edu (Chris Torek) (12/24/90)

In article <52927@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu
(Xiaofei Wang) writes:
>... how to make a left quotation mark with its tail going down?
>
>TeX uses left quotation mark with its tail going up and I can not find
>left quotation mark with its tail going down in TeX font tables. The 
>left quotation mark with its tail going down are used in publications
>such as ``Newsweek'' I just can not believe that TeX can not handle this.

Of course TeX cannot do this: you are asking for a new glyph: a new
character shape.  This is a job for a completely different program.
The task of creating a new font that is exactly like an old one, except
that the left quote mark is upside down, is trivial.  Just copy an
existing Metafont program, change its name, and change the left and
right quotes from being rotations of each other to being reflections
of each other.

All that aside, I feel compelled to mention that I find most upside down
left quotes grotesque.  I wonder what real type designers think?---although
no doubt (as with everything) these tastes vary.
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eijkhout@s41.csrd.uiuc.edu (Victor Eijkhout) (12/25/90)

chris@mimsy.umd.edu (Chris Torek) writes:

>In article <52927@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu
>(Xiaofei Wang) writes:
>>... how to make a left quotation mark with its tail going down?

>All that aside, I feel compelled to mention that I find most upside down
>left quotes grotesque.  I wonder what real type designers think?---although
>no doubt (as with everything) these tastes vary.

I seem to remember that this style of quoting actually exists
(or probably: existed) but is limited to the British Isles.

Victor.

sie@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Simon Raybould) (01/03/91)

In article <1990Dec24.191559.29084@csrd.uiuc.edu> eijkhout@s41.csrd.uiuc.edu (Victor Eijkhout) writes:
>chris@mimsy.umd.edu (Chris Torek) writes:
>
>>In article <52927@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu
>>(Xiaofei Wang) writes:
>>>... how to make a left quotation mark with its tail going down?
>
>I seem to remember that this style of quoting actually exists
>(or probably: existed) but is limited to the British Isles.
>
>Victor.

I live in th eUK and have never heard of such a thing as a left quote
with its tail going down. The whole idea seems completely wrong and
goes against the grain and I feel rather upset at the assumption it was
a British thing just because there is not much evidence of it in the US.

It's nothing to do with us !!



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xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Xiaofei Wang) (01/04/91)

sie@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Simon Raybould) writes:
* 
* I live in th eUK and have never heard of such a thing as a left quote
* with its tail going down. The whole idea seems completely wrong and
* goes against the grain and I feel rather upset at the assumption it was
* a British thing just because there is not much evidence of it in the US.

Pick up any issue of Newsweek and turn to any page, you will find
left quotation marks with their tails going down.