ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) (01/31/91)
It seems the only copy of the most-recent EmTeX distribution (minus
fonts) in the civilised world is to be found at
ymir.claremont.edu which is a non-unix ftp server!
Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!!
It's pretty buggy, too, it hung up on me serveral times.
Administrators of ymir.claremont.edu: if you're listening:
consider moving your machine to Unix! Only 9 years left to catch
up with the twentieth century; you can still dump OS/2!!
Administrators of terminator.cc.umich.edu: if you're listening:
couldya please get the latest EmTeX!?
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Ajay Shah, (213)734-3930, ajayshah@usc.edu
The more things change, the more they stay insane.
_______________________________________________________________________________cheung@mathcs.emory.edu (Shun Yan Cheung) (01/31/91)
In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: > >Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!! >It's pretty buggy, too, it hung up on me serveral times. Use cd - to get up and keep in mind: don't look a given horse in the month, i.e., it's a FREE service offered by Claremont and you are in no way obligated to use it. I had problems getting out of a directory to, but unlike you, I tried other commands and cd - finally worked. -- Shun Yan Cheung | cheung@mathcs.emory.edu Internet Emory University | cheung@emory.bitnet BITNET Dept of Math and CS | Voice: (404) 727-3823 Atlanta, GA 30322 | Engineering: make it work. Research: make it work BETTER
zazula@uazhe0.physics.arizona.edu (RALPH ZAZULA) (01/31/91)
In article <29734@usc>, ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes... > >It seems the only copy of the most-recent EmTeX distribution (minus >fonts) in the civilised world is to be found at >ymir.claremont.edu which is a non-unix ftp server! > >Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!! Hmm... Sorry, but I got a good laugh or two out of this one... You are right, it is a VMS machine. (I in *no* way want to start an OS war/flame-session, I haven't the time or energy...) To move up a directory, try "cd [-]" (without quotes). Under VMS, directories go by the format DISK:[DIR1.DIR2.DIR3] (case is ignored). The "-" stands for ".." as is used in unix and ms-dos and the "." stands for the "/" in unix and the "\" in ms-dos. The DISK: portion can be omitted to move around on the same disk (for example, "cd [-.nextdir]" is the same as "cd ../nextdir" under unix). I've been using VMS for a little over 3 years now but I still took the time out to learn the UNIX commands that I needed to use the FTP sites I wanted.... ('nuff said...) >It's pretty buggy, too, it hung up on me serveral times. > >Administrators of ymir.claremont.edu: if you're listening: >consider moving your machine to Unix! Only 9 years left to catch >up with the twentieth century; you can still dump OS/2!! > Is UNIX *the* representitive feature of the 20th century???? >Administrators of terminator.cc.umich.edu: if you're listening: >couldya please get the latest EmTeX!? > >-- >_______________________________________________________________________________ >Ajay Shah, (213)734-3930, ajayshah@usc.edu > The more things change, the more they stay insane. >_______________________________________________________________________________ Smiles, Ralph P.S. I just bought a UNIX machine 2 days ago (if that matters...) |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Ralph Zazula "Computer Addict!" | | University of Arizona --- Department of Physics | | UAZHEP::ZAZULA (DecNet/HEPNet) | | zazula@uazhe0.physics.arizona.edu (Internet) | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | "You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge." - Neil Peart | |----------------------------------------------------------------------|
vahe@euphemia.math.ucla.edu (Vahe Sarkissian) (01/31/91)
Ajay Shah, I don't know who you are, but I believe you owe an apology to the entire network as well as to Don Hosek personally. Rather than complaining in such a crass manner, consider asking someone how to traverse VMS directories (ymir runs VMS, not OS/2). To bad-mouth one of the best-maintained archives of TeX material, particularly in a forum intended for useful discussion, is childish and vulgar. Don, I thought it didn't need mentioning, but obviously it does: thank you for the fine job you do of maintaining the ymir archives. --Vahe Sarkissian, UCLA Math. Sci. vahe@math.ucla.edu
jwe@che.utexas.edu (John W. Eaton) (01/31/91)
In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: > It seems the only copy of the most-recent EmTeX distribution (minus > fonts) in the civilised world is to be found at > ymir.claremont.edu which is a non-unix ftp server! > > Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!! No, you can't use the command `cd ..', but you can use `cd [-]'. You need to think more like the natives. :-) > It's pretty buggy, too, it hung up on me serveral times. This also happens to me quite often when using other ftp servers, most notably on prep.ai.mit.edu, which is, last I checked, a Un*x site. BTW, this shouldn't be misinterpreted as a defense of, or apology for, VMS, Digital Equipment Corporation, or Ken Olsen Himself. -- John W. Eaton ``When in Rome...'' jwe@che.utexas.edu Department of Chemical Engineering The University of Texas at Austin
phil@cs.mcgill.ca (Philip LOCONG) (01/31/91)
OK, I don't know if I'm going to make a fool of myself but it seems to me that the "supported" way of doing a "UNIX cd .." when in ftp is: cdup. Did I miss something? I never had any trouble with cdup! Please give me some feedback, it seems so simple. Phil
spsisira@sdrc.UUCP (Sisira Jayasinghe) (01/31/91)
In article <1023@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU>, vahe@euphemia.math.ucla.edu (Vahe Sarkissian) writes: > > Don, I thought it didn't need mentioning, but obviously it does: > thank you for the fine job you do of maintaining the ymir archives. > > --Vahe Sarkissian, UCLA Math. Sci. vahe@math.ucla.edu "It takes only one apple to spoil the bin" is very true in this case. I agree with Vahe about the Ymir archives. GOOD job DON. Sisira Jayasinghe.
anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen R. Anderson) (01/31/91)
I completely agree with previous responses in this thread - we are all much indebted to the administrators of ymir.claremont.edu for the service they provide, and the original poster was way out of line in his remarks. However, it IS a bit baffling to find your way around on a VMS machine when you're used to unix boxes. As of course it's confusing for VMS users to navigate a unix system. But there's a real asymmetry here. If I have a VAX and need to talk to somebody's Sun from time to time, I can go to the bookstore (even if that means "B.Dalton") and buy any number of simple minded introductions to unix; but if I'm the one with the Sun, it seems I'd have to buy a VAX to get the corresponding information about VMS........ Steve Anderson
rolfl@ulrik.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) (02/01/91)
>In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: > > Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!! > It's pretty buggy, too, it hung up on me serveral times. > > Administrators of ymir.claremont.edu: if you're listening: > consider moving your machine to Unix! Only 9 years left to catch > up with the twentieth century; you can still dump OS/2!! > cdup. cdup. Memorize it. cdup. You might get use of it again, in some bizarre set of circumstances. I havent been at ymir for quite awhile, but I can't remember it throwing me out more often then the Unix servers. Rolf Lindgren | "The opinions expressed above are 612 Bjerke Studentheim | not necessarily those of anyone" N-0589 OSLO 5 | rolfl@humanist.uio.no
adrian@mti.mti.com (Adrian McCarthy) (02/01/91)
In article <6873@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> cheung@mathcs.emory.edu (Shun Yan Cheung) writes: >In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: >>Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!! >Use cd - to get up... Just goes to show, the whole world doesn't run UNIX. Thank God. Aid. (adrian@gonzo.mti.com)
kaul@icarus.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rich Kaul) (02/01/91)
In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!!
Read the man page for a recent version of ftp or go and read the RFC
directly. The only officially approved way of changing to the parent
of a directory is cdup. ftp is designed to be relatively independent
of OS. You're reading Un*x-isms into all other operating systems,
which isn't the brightest thing you can do.
Administrators of ymir.claremont.edu: if you're listening:
consider moving your machine to Unix! Only 9 years left to catch
up with the twentieth century; you can still dump OS/2!!
It's a VMS machine. It's their machine, which they are graciously
providing for your use. You can't complain about a service you're
getting for free when you're not even using it properly. I appreciate
the service they provide and think your attitude could use some
adjusting.
(It used to be "All the world's a VAX." Is the prevailing attitude
these days "All the world's a Unix Box"?)
--
Rich Kaul | Every man is given the key to the door
kaul@icarus.eng.ohio-state.edu | of heaven; unfortunately, the same key
or ...!osu-cis!kaul | opens the door to hell.6500gsv@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (George S. Vaughan) (02/01/91)
In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: > Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!! > It's pretty buggy, too, it hung up on me serveral times. YMIR is running vax/vms. In vms, the next directory up is not .. but rather [-]. I just now checked on this. (Hi Chris) > up with the twentieth century; you can still dump OS/2!! See above. George -- George S. Vaughan 6500gsv@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu Repeal The 16th Amendment!
kcb@hss.caltech.edu (KC Border) (02/01/91)
In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: > >It seems the only copy of the most-recent EmTeX distribution (minus >fonts) in the civilised world is to be found at >ymir.claremont.edu which is a non-unix ftp server! > >Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!! >It's pretty buggy, too, it hung up on me serveral times. > >Administrators of ymir.claremont.edu: if you're listening: >consider moving your machine to Unix! Only 9 years left to catch >up with the twentieth century; you can still dump OS/2!! > I find the material on archives to be a great public benefit. It may be a counterexample to the adage that there's no such thing as afree lunch. So what if it's not unix. (I think it's VMS, not OS/2.) The administrator doesn't owe you. If you read your unix man page for ftp you would find that the command to move up a directory level is cdup and it works. This forum is hardly the place for this kind of whining. Kim C. Border Division of the Humanities and Social Sciences kcb@hss.caltech.edu 228-77 California Institute of Technology Pasadena, California 91125
acmfiu@serss0.fiu.edu (ACMFIU) (02/01/91)
In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: > >It seems the only copy of the most-recent EmTeX distribution (minus >fonts) in the civilised world is to be found at >ymir.claremont.edu which is a non-unix ftp server! > >Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!! >It's pretty buggy, too, it hung up on me serveral times. > >Administrators of ymir.claremont.edu: if you're listening: >consider moving your machine to Unix! Only 9 years left to catch >up with the twentieth century; you can still dump OS/2!! i imagine you will get a lot of heat for this. first, i don't care about whether or not you love unix and think it's the best. go tell that to your dog or cat. this newsgroup is not for such foolish posts. all you had to do was post asking about how to do 'x' from ymir.claremont.edu. from past experience, i think the system is a vax. and, while i like unix as much as the next guy, i think the folks at ymir have provided an excellent service to the TeX community. if you don't appreciate this, then, again, tell your dog. as for the "it" hanging up on you, well it serves you right. seriously, though, that has never happend to me. ever thought it could be line noise or such. and, i think you 'cd [-]' to go back a directory. i can't remember exactly. anyway, keep these posts out of here. i'm sure there are people that love vax just as much as you love UNIX. albert
spqr@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) (02/01/91)
In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
It seems the only copy of the most-recent EmTeX distribution (minus
fonts) in the civilised world is to be found at
ymir.claremont.edu which is a non-unix ftp server!
well, theres gratitude. could I point out that
a) the package comes from Germany anyway, so the canonical versions
are in Stuttgart for FTP. So I assume Mattes is regarded as
uncivilised?
b) its also available from the UK TeX Archive. It won't help you, as
an FTP person, but there *are* people outside internet, you know.
The UK TeX archive distributes emTeX on floppies - but before you
ask, please don't abuse this service. Its intended for people with
no electronic connections at all. Anyone reading this can almost
certainly get it without causing staff at Aston (who, like ymir,
do it for nothing) a lot of grief with floppy thingies
sebastian
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Computer Science S.Rahtz@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Bitnet)
Southampton S09 5NH, UK S.Rahtz@sot-ecs.uucp (uucp)doug@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Douglas W O'neal) (02/01/91)
In article <29734@usc> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: > >It seems the only copy of the most-recent EmTeX distribution (minus >fonts) in the civilised world is to be found at >ymir.claremont.edu which is a non-unix ftp server! > >Imagine: you can cd into a directory but not cd .. out of it!! >It's pretty buggy, too, it hung up on me serveral times. What are you talking about. I have no problems GRINCH> ftp ymir.claremont.edu %FTP-I-ATTEMPTING, Attempting to connect to host YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU 220 YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU MultiNet FTP Server Process 2.2(11) at Fri 1-Feb-91 6:01A M-PST FTP> user anonymous 331 anonymous user ok. Send real ident as password. Password: 230-Guest User DOUG logged into LOCAL:[ANONYMOUS] at Fri 1-Feb-91 06:01, job 24 400aa1. 230 Directory and access restrictions apply FTP> cd tex 250 Connected to LOCAL:[ANONYMOUS.TEX]. FTP> cd .. 250 Connected to LOCAL:[ANONYMOUS]. > >Administrators of ymir.claremont.edu: if you're listening: >consider moving your machine to Unix! Only 9 years left to catch >up with the twentieth century; you can still dump OS/2!! In case you haven't checked, ymir is a microvax II running VMS. VMS is not OS/2. > >Administrators of terminator.cc.umich.edu: if you're listening: >couldya please get the latest EmTeX!? > >-- >_______________________________________________________________________________ >Ajay Shah, (213)734-3930, ajayshah@usc.edu > The more things change, the more they stay insane. >_______________________________________________________________________________ -- Doug O'Neal, Distributed Systems Programmer, Johns Hopkins University doug@jhuvms.bitnet, doug@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu, mimsy!aplcen!jhunix!doug Like many of the features of UNIX, UUCP appears theoretically unworkable... - DEC Professional, April 1990