rolfl@hedda.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) (05/02/91)
I need (in spite of my violent protests) a LaTeX style option that allows me to
do not only
... which cannot be true \cite[pp.\ 23--64]{calluphid}
producing (approx.)
... which cannot be true (Calluphid, 1978, pp. 23-64).
This is easyly handed by apalike.sty.
However, I need also to be able to do something alng the lines of
\cite[pp.\ 23--64]{calluphid} proves the non-existence of ...
producing (again, approx.)
Calluphid (1978) proves the non-existence of
Can I patch apalike.sty in any way to produce a \cite2 or a \cite that takes an
optional argument? How?
I also need a conclusive argument from a psychologist why psychologists, of all
people, have choosen to adopt this utterly ridiculous citation style.
Rolf Lindgren | "The opinions expressed above are
616 Bjerke Studentheim | not necessarily those of anyone"
N-0589 OSLO 5 | rolfl@hedda.uio.no ilan343@violet.berkeley.edu (Geraldo Veiga) (05/02/91)
In article <ROLFL.91May1224944@hedda.uio.no> rolfl@hedda.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) writes: > >I also need a conclusive argument from a psychologist why psychologists, of all >people, have choosen to adopt this utterly ridiculous citation style. > I don't think it's just psychologists, I know of a couple of Mathematical Programming journals that allow "apa" as one of their acceptable styles. As a reader, I like the idea. If I am familiar with the bibliography, the simple mention of "Calluphid (1978)" is enough to remind me of which article the author is referring to. Numbered styles can't do that. As I writer, the thing is a mess, but mostly because software doesn't automate it. If I had the \cite / \cite2 option suggested in the original posting I could live with it. Now let me turn the question around, other than aesthetics, why does the tex crowd ( with lot's of others, actually) hate the apa style so intensely?
marty@puppsr.Princeton.EDU (Marty Ryba) (05/02/91)
In article <1991May2.032429.1654@agate.berkeley.edu>, ilan343@violet.berkeley.edu (Geraldo Veiga) writes: >In article <ROLFL.91May1224944@hedda.uio.no> rolfl@hedda.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) writes: >> >>I also need a conclusive argument from a psychologist why psychologists, of >>all people, have choosen to adopt this utterly ridiculous citation style. > > I don't think it's just psychologists, I know of a couple of > Mathematical Programming journals that allow "apa" as one of their > acceptable styles. The Astrophysical Journal and many other astronomy journals use apalike also. > > As a reader, I like the idea. If I am familiar with the bibliography, > the simple mention of "Calluphid (1978)" is enough to remind me of > which article the author is referring to. Numbered styles can't do > that. Me too. I hate having to page back and forth to the references list at the end of an article to check each numbered reference. It also makes the writing *clearer* I think. The in-text use of the author(s) name(s) in particular is redundant with the numbered footnotes. As for how to \cite these in-text citations, I simply write out the text and then include the proper \nocite at the end of the paragraph to get the references list correct. -- Marty Ryba | slave physics grad student (not much longer!) Princeton University | They don't care if I exist, Pulsars Unlimited | let alone what my opinions are! marty@pulsar.princeton.edu | Asbestos gloves always on when reading mail
guy@physics (Guy Metcalfe) (05/03/91)
Refering to apalike citations: In article <ROLFL.91May1224944@hedda.uio.no> rolfl@hedda.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) writes: >I also need a conclusive argument from a psychologist why >psychologists, of all people, have choosen to adopt this utterly >ridiculous citation style. I don't think its "utterly ridiculous". I rather like it and wish the available apalike style was complete and tweaked up to be fully functional. -- Guy Metcalfe Duke University Dept. of Physics guy@phy.duke.edu & Center for Nonlinear Studies guy@physics.phy.duke.edu Durham, N.C. 27706 guy%phy.duke.edu@cs.duke.edu
rolfl@hedda.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) (05/06/91)
> > I don't think it's just psychologists, I know of a couple of > Mathematical Programming journals that allow "apa" as one of their > acceptable styles. The Astrophysical Journal and many other astronomy journals use apalike also. > > As a reader, I like the idea. If I am familiar with the bibliography, > the simple mention of "Calluphid (1978)" is enough to remind me of > which article the author is referring to. Numbered styles can't do > that. Me too. I hate having to page back and forth to the references list at the end of an article to check each numbered reference. It also makes the writing *clearer* I think. The in-text use of the author(s) name(s) in particular is redundant with the numbered footnotes. As for how to \cite these in-text citations, I simply write out the text and then include the proper \nocite at the end of the paragraph to get the references list correct. Yeah, all right, but for most purposes (i. e. textbooks) I don't WANT references. I take the stuff on faith. What I hate is to skip layers upon layers of references, and occationaly skip interesting pieces of informatiopn inbetween all the references. Footnotes would have made it easier to skip the unimportant parts (and leave jumping back and forth between test and references a task for researchers). I see the need of professionals to have easy access to the references, however. What I really oppose to is using the apalike styles in textbooks. Rolf Lindgren | "The opinions expressed above are 616 Bjerke Studentheim | not necessarily those of anyone" N-0589 OSLO 5 | rolfl@hedda.uio.no
bathurst@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Bruce Bathurst) (05/07/91)
The natural sciences have been using APA-style referencing in journal articles since the death of footnotes. In expository writing, the sciences use numbered references, the numbers either raised as superscripts or placed in brackets. When reading research, I would like to see a reference to each claim made; and I know previous articles first by author, then date, then vague title, then journal. Thus a reference to Knuth (1968) is probably a reference to the first volume of his treatise; this reference is the smallest possible that allows me to recognize that work. Further, knowing the dates of important research is important, and this style encourages that. When I published an expository paper, the editor rewrite my references into APA-style. After a quick phone call, in which I argued that the flow of the writing was more important than the references, he changed them all back to superscripted numbers. I find references with no titles to be an insult to readers and to science! Bruce Department of Geological and Geophysical Sciences Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544 bathurst@phoenix.princeton.edu bathurst@pucc.bitnet !princeton!phoenix!bathurst