ecogk@lure.latrobe.edu.au (Gabor Korosi) (05/03/91)
Hi Gurus, I am Hungarian, and Hungarian is full of accented letters, so I jumped at the dx fonts of Norbert Schwarz as soon as I could. It is great (the only problem that the capital Greek letters were discarded, so I still need the cm fonts, just for them), but I am struck with the following problem: Hungarian, like many other European languages (the only exception on the continent I am aware of is French) uses the right English double quote shifted down to the baseline as left double quote. (That is ,,example'' instead of ``example''.) This is the "12 character in dx fonts. Is there any way to force TeX to use this character for the ligature `` rather than the English default? The current solution I use is: % % Hungarian left double quote % \catcode`=\active \def`{\futurelet\next\lqtest} \def\lqtest{\ifx\next`\let\next\hunlqq \else\let\next\lq \fi\next} \def\hunlqq#1{\hlqq} \chardef\hlqq="12 and it works, but there must be a much simpler one. (Well, the \hunlqq could be cut out, but that is not my problem.) Any idea? G\'abor K\H or\"osi
eijkhout@s41.csrd.uiuc.edu (Victor Eijkhout) (05/04/91)
ecogk@lure.latrobe.edu.au (Gabor Korosi) writes: >Hi Gurus, Hi there :-) >Hungarian, like many other European languages (the only exception on the >continent I am aware of is French) uses the right English double quote >shifted down to the baseline as left double quote. (That is ,,example'' >instead of ``example''.) This is the "12 character in dx fonts. Is there >any way to force TeX to use this character for the ligature `` rather than >the English default? Yes. Unfortunately you have to go outside TeX. I suggest you dive into the tfm format and find out how ligatures work. Use the 'tftopl' program to convert a .tfm file to a .pl file, which is readable. Then edit that, and translate back with 'pltotf'. As an example, here is a fragment from cmr10.pl, describing the ligatures of 'f' followed by 'i', 'f', and 'l'. (LIGTABLE (LABEL C f) (LIG C i O 14) (LIG C f O 13) (LIG C l O 15) You see how 'fi' gets replaced by 'octal 14' et cetera. Happy hacking! Victor.
ecogk@lure.latrobe.edu.au (Gabor Korosi) (05/04/91)
eijkhout@s41.csrd.uiuc.edu (Victor Eijkhout) answers to my question: > >> uses the right English double quote >>shifted down to the baseline as left double quote. (That is ,,example'' >>instead of ``example''.) This is the "12 character in dx fonts. Is there >>any way to force TeX to use this character for the ligature `` rather than >>the English default? > > Yes. Unfortunately you have to go outside TeX. ... The solution via .pl files deleted. I am sorry, I failed to add that I want to keep the English double quote as well. Half the text I write is in English, half is in Hungarian. I occasionally happen to write in French as well. (They use the << >> ligatures for `` '', which are also available in dx fonts.) > > Happy hacking! Not like that, thanks. I prefer to have a flexible solution which I can switch along with the \language (ie, hyphenation table), rather than hard-wiring. Just I hoped for a better solution than the one I presented. > > Victor. G\'abor
eijkhout@s41.csrd.uiuc.edu (Victor Eijkhout) (05/05/91)
ecogk@lure.latrobe.edu.au (Gabor Korosi) writes: >eijkhout@s41.csrd.uiuc.edu (Victor Eijkhout) answers to my question: >> >>> uses the right English double quote >>>shifted down to the baseline as left double quote. (That is ,,example'' >>>instead of ``example''.) This is the "12 character in dx fonts. Is there >>>any way to force TeX to use this character for the ligature `` rather than >>>the English default? >> >> Yes. Unfortunately you have to go outside TeX. > ... The solution via .pl files deleted. >I am sorry, I failed to add that I want to keep the English double quote as >well. Half the text I write is in English, half is in Hungarian. I occasionally >happen to write in French as well. (They use the << >> ligatures for `` '', >which are also available in dx fonts.) Another suggestion: why do you want to use the `` ligature? Why don't you define ,, as a ligature that will give you the correct character? And for French << and >> ?? I mean: ? Victor.
Damian.Cugley@prg.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley) (05/07/91)
> From: Gabor Korosi <ecogk@lure.latrobe.edu.au> > Message-Id: <1991May3.211126.5326@lure.latrobe.edu.au> > Hungarian uses the right English double quote shifted down to the > baseline as left double quote. (That is ,,example'' instead of > ``example''.) This is the "12 character in dx fonts. Is there any way > to force TeX to use this character for the ligature `` rather than the > English default? It ought to be possible to have two commas (,,) meaning a double comma just as '' is a double apostrophe. (If it isn't already it ought to be.) Also, so far as I am aware(*), when this style of quotation is used, the right quote is usually two inverted commas: ,,example`` as opposed to ,,example''. Damian ------------------------------ (*) Hart's Rules for Compositors and Readers, 39th ed., p.110. (Oxford University Press, 1990)