[comp.periphs.scsi] New 320Meg SCSIs < $1000

ericz@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Eric Zamost) (07/20/90)

     I am planning to purchase some CDC-Imprimis Wren-IV SCSI
drives, and I think the price I am arranging may be of interest
to other net-readers.  It looks as if I can get this drive for
somewhere between $900 and $1000, depending on the quantity
purchased.  If you think you may want one, please e-mail me and
indicate approximately how interested you are, and I will see
what kind of price I can get (but understand that this is still
a bit tentative).

     Following are the specifications for the drives:

CDC-Imprimis Wren-IV  (94171-307)
New, 1 year warranty
SCSI interface
320 Meg (formatted) capacity
16ms average access time
Full Height, 5.25", Auto-park
Rated MTBF: 100,000

I asked a few weeks ago about how this drive compared to the
Miniscribe 9380S's which have recently become available
inexpensively, and the consensus was that this was by far the more
reliable drive.

My plan is to arrange the purchase, but then have people buy them
directly from the dealer.  How well has this method worked
before?


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brb@falcon.is (Bjorn R. Bjornsson) (07/20/90)

In article <5278@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, ericz@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Eric Zamost) writes:
> 		...	It looks as if I can get this drive for
> somewhere between $900 and $1000, depending on the quantity
> purchased.  ...

Probably a good price, but not surprisingly so since you're talking quantity

>      Following are the specifications for the drives:
> 
> CDC-Imprimis Wren-IV  (94171-307)

Is this the actual model number of the drives?
Imprimis has continually upgraded the Wren-IV.  Later revisions
I have seen are 94171-327 and 94171-344.  I think the latest
model number is something like 94171-370.  I don't want to
scare you but there was a net and/or sun-managers discussion
last year of certain early batches of Wren-IVs failing.  Here in
Reykjavik we certainly had our share "prematurely" failing Wren-IVs.

Personally I would stay away from model number 94171-307.
Perhaps someone who knows more could provide definitive info
to this newsgroup.


Bjorn R. Bjornsson			brb@falcon.is

behm@zds-ux.UUCP (Brett Behm) (07/21/90)

In article <5278@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, ericz@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Eric Zamost) writes:
> 
>      I am planning to purchase some CDC-Imprimis Wren-IV SCSI drives
> 
> CDC-Imprimis Wren-IV  (94171-307)

These are very durable drives.  We have never had one fail even under some
pretty hot conditions (like so hot you cannot hold onto the sides without
gloves).  As a note - make sure you enable track caching on the drive.
The default as shipped is off. Why? I don't know because it speeds up
serial transfer rates by a factor of 2.  


Brett Behm

Duel@cup.portal.com (Omid M Farr) (07/21/90)

I tried to get involved in a few "deals" like this but they dont seem to work
most people are "interested" and not many serious buyers. But the prices you
quote are pretty good, but I was able to pick up a CDC/Seagate 209 meg
unformatted for $549. I got it from NCA Peripherals. (408-970-0286,
800-321-4003). I was lucky to get it reserved for a few days because during
that time 5-6 people called for it. They also have 380meg hard drive 16ms
for $799. They seemed to be a good deal also, but unlike the cdc are full
height. (I probably would have picked one up if I had the extra money, 
though!)
I havent had a chance to use the drive yet but it seems to be new (other than
their 'test format', but you dont get the manuals or an attractive package
with it..) I guess they got them for dirt cheap because the manufacturers
dont give them anything but the drive. Instead, I got a copy of the OEM
manual which is very technical.
I would recommend them to anyone, great prices and the service was good
also, just dont expect some great support from them.

bmwu@athena.mit.edu (Benson M. Wu) (07/24/90)

	Several days ago Duel@cup.portal.com (Omid M Farr) posted 
a message stating that he was able to 

>>	pick a CDC/Seagate  209 meg  HD for $549.  I got it from NCA
>> Peripherals, (408-970-0286, 800-321-4003(CA only)) ... They also have
>> a 380meg HD  116 ms for $799....

	Well, I called up the company (National Computer Arts) today.
They are out of the 380 Meg HD's and new ones  won't arrive for another 2 
weeks.  Although they don't have a toll free number for out of staters,
the telephone receptionist was  very courteous, took my name down, and
promised to call me when the HD arrives.  

	I am interested only in external HD's.  Here are the brands and
	prices:

	Manufacturer	Size	Access Time	Price
	
	Micropolis	300Meg	18 ms		$1099
	Miniscribe	300Meg	16 ms		$999

I have no experience with either of these drives or the manufacturers.
I would  appreciate any opinion  from people who either have these drives
or have experiences with these companies ( good or bad).

	I don't regularly read comp.periphs.scsi so please e-mail me
at bmwu@athena.mit.edu.  If you read this in Comp.sys.mac.hardware, feel
free to post your opinion to the bulletin directly since I follow it fairly regularly.  Thanks.

rc3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ross Ward Comer) (07/24/90)

Duel@cup.portal.com (Omid M Farr) writes:
> ... are pretty good, but I was able to pick up a CDC/Seagate 209 meg
> unformatted for $549. I got it from NCA Peripherals. (408-970-0286,
> 800-321-4003). ...

Ok, but will this work in my SE/30?  In other words, what do I have to
do to get this to work, besides taking out my current 40M drive and
inserting this drive?  And if it's complicated (ie requires extra
hardware, rewiring, etc), is there a (relatively) cheap drive that's
plug 'n play?

Thanks!

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urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) (07/26/90)

In comp.periphs.scsi, article <4af5L4e00WB9I8nv1H@andrew.cmu.edu>,
  rc3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ross Ward Comer) writes:
< Duel@cup.portal.com (Omid M Farr) writes:
< > ... are pretty good, but I was able to pick up a CDC/Seagate 209 meg
< > unformatted for $549. I got it from NCA Peripherals. (408-970-0286,
< > 800-321-4003). ...
< 
< Ok, but will this work in my SE/30?  In other words, what do I have to
< do to get this to work, besides taking out my current 40M drive and
< inserting this drive?  And if it's complicated (ie requires extra
< hardware, rewiring, etc), is there a (relatively) cheap drive that's
< plug 'n play?
< 
It's mostly plug-and-play, except that you have to format the beast, install a
partition table and a suitable driver.

Two ways to do this: (a) browbeat the Apple driver into accepting that drive
(non-trivial because it's not always a clean decision which of the hardwired
product IDs to replace) or (b) buy SilverLining; it's very good and can do
some neat tricks, including password protection, multiple volumes on the
drive, resizing partitions (with _data_ on them...), speed testing, a real
thorough find-and-map-out-bad-sectors tester, and lots more...

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alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) (07/26/90)

I think if you have to ask...