[comp.periphs.scsi] Adaptec and tape drives

davem@elandes.UUCP (Dave Mathis) (01/24/91)

	I have what should be a simple problem, that should have a 
simple answer.  But it isn't turning out that way.
	
	I have a Intel 401 (486/25) box, adaptec 1542a, 2 Maxtors and a
Archive 2150 tape drive.  Normally I run  SysVR4, but using Dos 3.3 is where
I have the problem to solve.  I can get to the drives just fine, the on
board BIOS does its job.  To get to the tape drive, I need a device driver of 
some form.  Fine so far.  I call where I purchased the box, and ask for
whatever will do this for me, even suggest that adaptec might be a good
place to start.  They're not interested, they have my money.  I try adaptecs
local distributors, they're just salesmen, the first technical word and they
panic.  Tried a var of one of the distributors, they said they would check 
into what I needed.  The answer was that a ASW-1410 would solve all my 
problems.  The tape drive would be accesible as a device and I could use
pdtar and afio to my hearts content.
	Great. I bought it.  Now what? There is not a
programming/interface/techical manual available.  Adaptec has either
know-nothings, or people that don't return calls, or a dispatcher that
won't log a call since I'm not a distributor.

	If anyone can offer me:
1) a way to get to the tape drive without giving adaptec any more money,
	since they obviously dont deserve it.
or
2) an alternative SCSI controller and  support software to get to the tape
	drive under DOS.

	I would really appreciate it.

Dave Mathis
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wayne@teemc.UUCP (Michael R. Wayne) (01/25/91)

In article <548@elandes.UUCP> davem@elandes.UUCP (Dave Mathis) writes:
>
>	I have a Intel 401 (486/25) box, adaptec 1542a, 2 Maxtors and a
>Archive 2150 tape drive.  Normally I run  SysVR4, but using Dos 3.3 is where
>I have the problem to solve.  I can get to the drives just fine, the on
>board BIOS does its job.  To get to the tape drive, I need a device driver of 
>some form.  Fine so far.  
>        Tried a var of one of the distributors, they said they would check 
>into what I needed.  The answer was that a ASW-1410 would solve all my 
>problems.  The tape drive would be accesible as a device and I could use
>pdtar and afio to my hearts content.

	You gotta buy SY-TOS, also avail from your Adaptec distributor.
While I tend to agree that it's silly to have to buy 3 products to get
at the drive, you gotta remember that this is the DOS market where the
poor suckers will pay for EVERYTHING.  SY-TOS works pretty well although
I noticed that a number of options were not available until I had run my
first backup.  I wish Adaptec would simply put all their drivers on a BBS
like many other board manufacturers do and let people download whenever
they want to.  I don't know what anyone could do to convince them of that
though, I suspect that the marketing types would throw up their hands in
horror "You mean GIVE something away for FREE?  I don't CARE if the
word-of-mouth advertising would sell more boards, we spent good money
developing those drivers and we're going to gouge them users for what we
can get!"  BTW, an associate of mine has a client who is installing
~2500 systems (all using SCSI) and didn't opt for Adaptec because the
drivers aren't free, there is no Archive BBS (adaptex doesn't count since
you can not sign onto it, it isn't really supported by Adaptec, and there
isn't SUPPORTED software on it) and there was no way to read/write tapes
that were interchangable with Unix.  In this case performance took a far
inferior role to support and market attitude.
	Warning:  Even with SY-TOS, you can't use tar or cpio.  You get
to use their own funky format (the advertised tar mode is unimplemented).
I think that the DOS market has no grasp that people want to use standard,
existing tools.  All the s/w writers see it as a great way to make lots of 
$$, not as a way to help the users.
	Regarding the tech support from Adaptec, the only person in the whole
organization that is worth anything seems to be Roy Neese (neese@adaptex).
Unlike the rest of the organization, he reads Usenet and helps people with
their problems.  Unfortunately, he does tend to get overloaded at times and
I don't think it's part of his job description so there is no guarantee
of support from him (though he tries hard).  I have concerns dealing with
a company where nobody on the tech support line can answer my questions and
are unwilling to work at obtaining answers ("Well, I guess we don't support
that" is not what I want to hear).  
	Anyway, since you have spent your money on the Adaptec, you might
check into SY-TOS.  If, however, you require tape interchangability with 
your Unix tapes, I suspect you need different hardware.  If anyone has a
means of reading/writing an Archive tape drive as a real device (so that
pdtar, etc will work), I'd appreciate knowing about it.

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