leadfoot@leftlane.ucs.dec.com (Mark Curtis) (05/01/90)
One quick question. If someone orders the upgrade from C5.1 to C6.0 will they receive the EXACT same documentation that is in a new C6.0 package? I'm getting the idea they don't. Just what EXACTLY is the difference between the upgrade kit and an off the shelf new package? Opps .. Q #2 How much disk space does this on-line doc system eat? I hope it uses compression of some kind. Thanks, Mark
dubose_b@wums.wustl.edu (Bob DuBose) (05/02/90)
In article <1990Apr27.115023.3401@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, tom@mims-iris.waterloo.edu (Tom Haapanen) writes: > Sounds like you have to use their editor for this. Do they provide specs so > you can write your own vi macros? :) If using the integrated environment is > the only way to get online help, I'll definitely have to get the book. Unfortunately, for now the only _seamless_ way to have point-and-shoot access to the online help is from the editor. The editor is a rewrite of the "M" editor supplied w/ C 5.1 and other languages, bound into the PWB. There's been a lot of complaints on the docs both for the RTL and PWB. MS does show a few examples on how to write extensions to the editor, but it can take some digging around to find them. You can replace it with your own (like brief), but lose the instant quick-help access. QH is available from the command line (QH [object]), but to access it from something like brief you'd have to write your own macro to load it manually. ------------------------------------------------------------ Bob DuBose dubose_b@wums.wustl.edu Department of Genetics bdb@agar.wustl.edu Washington University in St. Louis ------------------------------------------------------------
toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) (05/02/90)
Everybody has been complaining about the poor reference section in the new version (I'll keep my old version 5 manuals, which BTW I also use when I am programming using Turbo C!), but I also pity the poor first time buyer. There is virtually no introductory material either! I'll stick with the command line invocation of the compiler. PWB is too clunky. It unloads itself whenever you start a compile. It runs nmake with every step you take. Borland's Turbo environment works much better. Users need to pretty much dedicate half a DOS <4.0 partition to it. This program is a monster. I couldn't get the sample programs to compile without several hacks to the make file. Its completely incompatible with 386/MAX, and when I switched to their HIMEM.SYS I crashed because their new HIMEM.SYS is incompatible with my disk cache. The compiler, though, generates much better code than my old 5.0 (I never bothered with 5.1), and I'll stick with Epsilon and NDMAKE for my development environment. (Hey, I also use SYMDEB!) Tom Almy toma@tekgvs.labs.tek.com Standard Disclaimers Apply
adyer@wyse.wyse.com (Andrew Dyer x2446) (05/03/90)
My solution was to use the 'HELPMAKE' program to unencode the .hlp
files included with the system. After that, I ran the whole mess through
MicroEmacs and separated the wheat from the chaff. I divided up the
sections into separate named files, put them in a special directory, and
I can then load them into emacs in a separate buffer when I need them.
There are some drawbacks, of course. There is no automatic hyperlink-like
capability, but at least I'm freed from using the quickC editor! :-)
Now, if I just had the cashola to spring for a package with codeview for
debugging....
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and being approached by SMALL BOYS selling FRUIT..tom@mims-iris.waterloo.edu (Tom Haapanen) (05/03/90)
Andrew Dyer x2446 <adyer@milo.UUCP> writes: >My solution was to use the 'HELPMAKE' program to unencode the .hlp >files included with the system. After that, I ran the whole mess through >MicroEmacs and separated the wheat from the chaff. I divided up the >sections into separate named files, [...] Hey, if I can do this, I'll just run the files through ctags, and when I need help, I'll just hit ^[ and presto... :) [ \tom haapanen --- university of waterloo --- tom@mims-iris.waterloo.edu ] [ "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
tomr@ashtate (Tom Rombouts) (05/09/90)
Just as long as Naba Barkakati updates his "bible" series of books we won't have to worry about the docs or lack thereof! :-) Tom Rombouts, Ashton-Tate, tomr@ashtate.A-T.com Voice: (213) 538-7108