[comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer] Turbo Products

blake@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Blake Freeburg) (06/05/90)

Has anyone used or heard anything from Borland about the new Turbo Debugger,
Turbo Profiler, and Turbo Assembler.  Borland put up a notice that they 
were being released (2/6/90) but I have not received any upgrade notice.

Also, Infoworld had a notice that TC++ will be released on May 14.  Anybody
know anything about that? BTW that is InfoWorld for April 23, 3rd page...

Thanks in advance
blake freeburg

dm3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Allen Markley) (06/05/90)

Just this week, a friend told me he had just received the Borland test
version of TC++. It's ready to go out. I'll try to get more specifics,
if I can.

--David

dm3e+@andrew.cmu.edu

shurr@cbnews.att.com (Larry A. Shurr) (06/05/90)

In article <29406@ut-emx.UUCP> blake@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Blake Freeburg) writes:
>Has anyone used or heard anything from Borland about the new Turbo Debugger,
>Turbo Profiler, and Turbo Assembler.  Borland put up a notice that they 
>were being released (2/6/90) but I have not received any upgrade notice.

>Also, Infoworld had a notice that TC++ will be released on May 14.  Anybody
>know anything about that? BTW that is InfoWorld for April 23, 3rd page...

I received a notice from Borland last week regarding Turbo C++, Debugger,
Profiler, Assembler.  It was not an upgrade notice, but an offer to "all
registered owners of a Borland product" to purchase Turbo C++ Professional
(includes Assembler, Debugger, Profiler) for $125 + $5 shipping.  I sent my 
order in last Wed and await my new Turbo C++ Professional.

I don't have the glossies in front of me now, but they touted such features
as a customizable integrated environment (multiple windows, use your favorite
editor, etc...) and debugger understands and displays object hierarchies and
has an "undo" feature allowing you to back out of an execution sequence.
This last feature is a pretty neat trick; I don't recall that they mention 
any limitations on the "run backwards" feature, so I don't know how much
backing out you can really do.

regards, Larry
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RichThomas@cup.portal.com (Richard Rich Thomas) (06/06/90)

Turbo C++ is already shipping -- I've seen it in stores already.  As for
Turbo C++ Professional (includes Turbo Debugger 2.0, TASM 2.0, and Turbo
Profiler), I've not seen that package, but believe it is shipping.

Rich Thomas

David_Dave_Tamashiro@cup.portal.com (06/06/90)

I just got my upgrade to TC++ pro yesterday so I guess they are now
shipping.  I found it interesting that the box was label "not for 
export".  I wonder what is in it that the State Dept. feels should not
be exported.  386 code maybe??


Dave

mkallas@digi.lonestar.org (mark kallas) (06/06/90)

I received a notice this week that I can upgrade my Turbo Debugger & Assembler
for $59.00 + $5.00 S&H. They are advertising their new debugger has reverse
instruction tracing to see how you got there, a code profiler to analyze where
your time is spent and full support for Turbo C++ and other Borland compilers.
Their Assembler is fully MASM compatible and twice as fast. The package also 
has enhanced use of extended and expanded memory.

A friend who bought the Turbo C Professional received an notice to upgrade
to the new debugger and assembler and get C++ for $129.00 + ?? S&H.

Mark Kallas

toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) (06/06/90)

Last week I called in an order for the upgrade to C++ Professional, and was 
told there would be a four week shipping time. I heard from another source 
that C++ Pro wouldn't appear in the stores until mid June.

In the beginning of May I got an upgrade letter for the Assembler/Debugger!
I thought it would be the C->C++ upgrade notice. I never got a C-C++ upgrade
notice but I did receive an offer to get C++ based on my owning Turbo Pascal!
(BTW, that costs $175 instead of the $125 for Turbo C owners).

Tom Almy
toma@tekgvs.labs.tek.com
Standard Disclaimers Apply

jmoore@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Moore) (06/08/90)

In article <1990Jun5.153558.14458@cbnews.att.com> shurr@cbnews.att.com (Larry A. Shurr) writes:
>This last feature is a pretty neat trick; I don't recall that they mention 
>any limitations on the "run backwards" feature, so I don't know how much
>backing out you can really do.
>

I recall reading that the "run backwards" feature allows you to backup
in the current routine only. The way I understood it you could go into
a subroutine and backtrack "n" statements but you could not back out
of a subroutine. I beleive I read this in this months Byte magazine but
don't quote me on it.

>regards, Larry
>-- 
>Signed: Larry A. Shurr (cbnmva!las@att.ATT.COM or att!cbnmva!las)
>My psuedo-Burma Shave .signature has served me long and well and has been
>retired.  A new .signature is now under consideration.
>This posting reflects my opinions, not those of AGS or AT&T, but you knew that)

Jim Moore
jmoore@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu

psm@manta.NOSC.MIL (Scot Mcintosh) (06/09/90)

In article <7617@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM> toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) writes:
>
>Last week I called in an order for the upgrade to C++ Professional, and was 
>told there would be a four week shipping time. I heard from another source 
>that C++ Pro wouldn't appear in the stores until mid June.

I ordered my TC++  two weeks ago and was told the same thing. I've had it
for four days now. The Integrated Development Environment is very nice.
I like it much better than the new Microsoft PWB (and I'm a die-hard
Microsoft fanatic/shareholder).

hardin@hpindda.HP.COM (John Hardin) (06/09/90)

toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) writes:

>In the beginning of May I got an upgrade letter for the Assembler/Debugger!
>I thought it would be the C->C++ upgrade notice. I never got a C-C++ upgrade
>notice but I did receive an offer to get C++ based on my owning Turbo Pascal!
>(BTW, that costs $175 instead of the $125 for Turbo C owners).
----------

Be forewarned, if you take advantage of one of the upgrade offers for the
PRO package, you do not get a full manual set.  The package includes C++,
debugger, profiler, and assembler.  The missing manuals are the Guide and
Reference manuals for the assembler.  Instead you get a ring-bound TASM
quick reference.  

Originally this deal was billed as an introductory price on a new product
rather than a product upgrade.  Now Borland is saying that they did not 
ship new TASM manuals for 'upgrades'.  There is an animated discussion
going on about this on Borland's CompuServe forum.  A number of people
are upset that they got an imcomplete package when they could have bought
the complete one for a few dollars more at their local discount software
retailer.

Borland says that there was little change to the TASM manuals and that
a file was provided listing the changes.

Just be aware of what each package contains so you can make your choice.

John Hardin
hardin@hpindgh.hp.com

albert@endor.harvard.edu (David Albert) (06/09/90)

>>.. I did receive an offer to get C++ based on my owning Turbo Pascal!
>>(BTW, that costs $175 instead of the $125 for Turbo C owners).

Since I just purchased C++ from Egghead for $99, these upgrade
offers (with or without complete manual sets) do not sound
particularly good.
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David_Dave_Tamashiro@cup.portal.com (06/11/90)

Has any who received their Turbo C++ pro packs checked to
see if they have the PRJ2MAK.exe program (Project to makefile converter)?
I noticed it was listed as an included utility in the users guide but I
can find it in the disks.


Just wondering,

Dave

robertb@cs.washington.edu (Robert Bedichek) (06/11/90)

In article <30683@cup.portal.com> David_Dave_Tamashiro@cup.portal.com writes:
>Has any who received their Turbo C++ pro packs checked to
>see if they have the PRJ2MAK.exe program (Project to makefile converter)?
>I noticed it was listed as an included utility in the users guide but I
>can find it in the disks.
>
>
>Just wondering,

It isn't on my disk.  I got the Turbo C professional upgrade to C++
about 10 days ago.  So I assume that I got the whole schmeer.

Has anyone tried tf386.exe, the Turbo Profiler that takes advantage of
the 386?  It crashes my machine after I set the command arguments for
my program-to-be-profiled and tell the profiler to reload the program.
I have an Orchid Privilege-386 with 2 MB of memory.  I booted w/o any
disk cache and have no other TSR's.  The driver that tf386 requires
seems to start up normally when tf386 is invoked.

	Rob

mjw06513@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mary Winters) (06/16/90)

In article <3165@husc6.harvard.edu> albert@endor.UUCP (David Albert) writes:
>>>.. I did receive an offer to get C++ based on my owning Turbo Pascal!
>>>(BTW, that costs $175 instead of the $125 for Turbo C owners).
>
>Since I just purchased C++ from Egghead for $99, these upgrade
>offers (with or without complete manual sets) do not sound
>particularly good.

You bought Turbo C++ PROFESSIONAL for $99??? The $125 upgrade from Borland 
is for TC++ Professional, not just plain old TC++.


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