MIWD9395@WOOSTER.BITNET (02/09/90)
If anyone on this list is trying to support either the US gov't or the general
population of this country as the "ideal" and the "moral" leaders of the world,
I must object. I feel that our SYSTEM may POSSIBLY be ideal if everyone in it
would be. However, a look at very recent history shows that this is not now a
perfect nation. Our involvement in El Salvador is difficult to support
morally. The air strike on Libya may have be affective, but was it morally
justifiable (considering all the vague and distorted data the government used
to justify it)? Are voter turnout data consistent with the ideal democracy?
This list is a discussion of what we can each do to make our own countries more
ideal (by eliminating, at least partially, nuclear and conventional weapons)
not a flag-waving session. I thought people on this list were disillusioned
with the current system and wanted to change, not support it.
BillT9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET (Dave Jacoby) (02/11/90)
This is my first posting to the list, but I have to say this: I deny that the united states is or could ever be a democracy. What democracy implies is a system similar to that of Athens back in it's heyday. All free males were involved in the government. All offices were elected with a limit to term. You cannot get that with the amount of people living in the US today. You cannot even get that with the amount of people living in South Dakota today. THE U.S. IS NOT A DEMOCRACY AND IF WE HAVE THE HIGH MORAL GROUND ON ANYTHING, IT IS INCIDENTAL We have a bureaucracy with one bureau under NO control from the constitution. Dave T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET